• Miranda that's a sensational idea. I've put my full name up this time and can be found on Facebook. I'm also happy to put my email address. Just like Concerned, I used to think that life would be so much easier if my son had a physical disability as well. Not in any way to discredit how hard it is to look after anyone, let alone a child in that situation, but because it just seemed it would be easier. I begged for valium at one point for my son, just a small dose to calm him down and regain some control but it seemed that it was easier for doctors to say no to that rather than give some form of relief to the child and the rest of the family. He was on anti-psychotics for a while but they didn't help because he is not psychotic. Rhoda you're idea about parenting resources is a good one, but only for ADD and ADHD. Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Conduct Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder (which is what they call ODD when they turn eighteen), are totally different animals. These children have a neurological problem within the brain where the signals just don't get through or are totally blocked to different parts of the brain. These children are born this way, they don't grow into it though in some circumstances of parenting or familial problems can make it worse. Because of the anger, violence and abuse issues there is no form of respite either because the risk of someone else being hurt is too high and no agency will risk it. If anyone does want to make contact, here's my email: t_forbes64@hotmail.com I'll check out Facebook....perhaps a support and resource page might be of help too. Just knowing there are others going through the same thing and you won't be ridiculed for what you say and you will be believed can be a help. - Tracey Forbes
  • What relentlessly distressing stories some of the respondents have to tell. Their problems don't sound like they're caused by lack of diagnosis or increased rates of prescription - rather show need for more community support, better training of social workers, police, journos etc. Just wonder how much contact Concerned and others have with parents in similar situations - and if there's some of way of putting you all in touch with each other - if you're interested? - miranda
  • It seems we should love your rules, but not our neighbours, if they are are those of people who disagree with our "tolerant" view of peoples sexual preferences. Morality and other such obselete values ought not to come into it. Besides "loving your neighbour" is for those intolerant Christian suckers. - Na Yeo
  • It's OK Sue Bell , John Jay has obviously been " away " again . He craves attention , so if we just ignore him he will no doubt wander back to his " right wing hate sights " like Bolt & Ackerman et al. Meanwhile John Jay , suggest nice cuppa and a lay down . - Carole/m
  • Sly Place has just about said it all on Rudd's narcissism. I'd only add that he can't pretend to be naive about the effect his outbursts have had on Labor. And if it was a former staffer who changed Rudd's mind on gay marriage, pity he didn't listen when the bloke was actually employed in his office. - miranda
  • Does Australia have parent training resources? I've read that parent training is helpful in managing the behaviour. - Rhoda
  • Woah Sally, this article is intended as a catalyst for discussion, not a comprehensive analysis. I think that in a short space Lucy has raised several elements of an extremely complex debate. I've worked as a high school teacher and I've noticed many cases where a teenager " becomes" their diagnosis and uses it as a shield that prohibits self reflection and responsibility for ones own behaviour. A la " I've been diagnosed with ADHD I can skip work/ play up/ leave the room whenever like. Rently I confronted an aquaintance who thought it totally fine to repeat personal information she'd been told in confidence. Her reasoning " I've got ADHD you know" Likewise the wife of a friend who errupts in ferociously violent and abusive rages... people's reaction to her behaviour sometimes goes along the lines of " maybe she's bypolar" How about the " depressed" man who kills a random stranger? Or the " depressed" footballer or politician acting like rascals? Sure, genuine mental illness is out there and it should be taken very seriously, medicated where this can improve immediate functioning. But there's a growing trend to label what s simply obnoxious intolerable bahaviour as a " mental illness" . - melissa
  • I used to be the type who would sit on top of the heater; freeze to death in winter; and lived in (then) skivvies and jumpers. Then the big M set in!! Now I wander around the house barefoot. I own1 jumper and 1 thick cardigan. The only difference in what I wear to work is I have a raincoat and scarf for winter .... otherwise exactly the same clothes all year around. That's your "internal heater" working for you ... - Schoom
  • My son was 17 when his girlfriend first slept over. We made up an extra bed for her so she had a choice where to sleep. I didn't assume that they would or wouldn't sleep together. It also gave her an option, during the night, if she felt uncomfortable, to sleep somewhere else, plus he snores occasionally. She never used the extra bed and eventually we stopped making it. I'm always amused that people think their kids would only have sex ,in a bed, at night. These parents seem to be ok with their son/daughter being alone with a friend after school because it's daytime - hysterical! - Helen
  • I love your rules,especially the one....treat others like you wish to be treated. That was big in our home as I was growing up and it is just as big in my home now. Along with everyday random acts of kindness....if we always live by these two rules then we can be sure to find a real inner happiness.x. - Debyl1
 
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QUICK! THE CLEANER’S COMING

Given we barely know each other, and I’d like to forge some kind of relationship, we should get the grubby out of the way from the beginning.

Be up front, you know? Get off on the right foot and all of that. A good, clean slate.

To that end, what is it with ‘panic cleans’ when people are coming over? How is it we can live with a day-to-day level of muck in the house, but the minute the phone rings and someone from the outside is on the way in, all cleaning hell breaks loose? Are you with me?

It’s a lot like the pre-cleaning-lady clean, only more intense.

We don’t have a cleaning lady, but Mum did. Her name was Mrs Skene, Mum called her Skeney-baby. She came on alternate Tuesdays, which turned alternate Monday nights into a type of cleaning torture. It never made sense to us kids that the house had to be spotless so Skeney-baby had less to do.

Then, when we had a cleaning-person (because “cleaning lady” got cleaned  out in the mid-90s PC push) we did exactly the same thing as my mother.

And the cleaning team would come through with their backpack vacs and bottles of cleaning fluid and re-clean exactly what we’d done about 12 hours earlier. Weird, eh?

And it was a cleaning team, too, because everyone’s on a team now. Team members help you out in Bunnings and Harvey Norman and Coles and Big W. Team Leaders tell the team mates what to do which is much better than the old days when the managers told the the assistants how to suck eggs. It’s all the same stuff, only the labels have changed, and because we’re on the same team, everyone’s much “happier”.

The crazy thing is, the only people who aren’t on teams, are the ones who were actual teams. Like football teams: now they’re playing groups.

I tell you, the older I get the dumber I get because none of it makes any sense.

We don’t have a cleaning anything anymore, it’s just us: me, my wife and three kids. We live in a wonky old house that seems to burp up more than its fair share of dust. There’s Spud the dog, who’s managed to trick us into letting her sleep on the couch and two chickens (yes, it’s a suburban hobby farm) who live on the outdoor furniture because it’s closer to the action than the chicken coop. When I say action, I mean back door, because that’s where the crusts and scraps come from.

I reckon they learnt it from the dog. I reckon Spuddy cut a deal with the chooks and said to them, “I’ll show you how this place works if you sacrifice one of yourselves to me on the shortest day of the year. You can choose who I get to eat.”

I reckon Spud was planning some kind of animal Hunger Games-type thing that backfired. After the first winter solstice, the chickens rebelled, held an uprising and took control of the back stairs. They try and eat the dog’s dinner before she does and God help Spud if she goes on an egg hunt.

The eight of us have the capacity to create a tsunami of stuff that needs attention. 

Feathers, crap, clothes, dust, toys, books, papers, hair elastics, bobby pins, shoes (my God, the shoes) washing, dishes, wetsuits – it’s endless. Literally. And it’s normal. And we live with it as though it is normal because, to us, it is.

I mentioned the ‘panic clean’ to my wife last night and she said how she wished we lived in one of those houses where they’re always tidy. I said, “like ours after we’ve done a panic clean?”.

And she said, “yes, but some people live like that all the time”.

I assured her they didn’t, they’re just better panic cleaners than we are. And they have sensors at their front gate that alert them to intruders. And they don’t have chickens who think they’re dogs. And their dogs don’t dig holes in the lawn.

And they’re not normal – not like we are.

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*Andrew Daddo’s been around for a while. His first real TV job as host of the ABC’s national music show The Factory led to a year in New York as the first Australian MTV “VJ.”  He returned to tackle just about everything with clip shows like The World’s Greatest Commercials and Australia’s Funniest People before comfortably adapting to the news program 11am. He’s presented the Olympics with Seven in Sydney and Beijing, and enjoyed the life of a professional traveller with The Great Outdoors.

Andrew is an accomplished author, having written best-selling books for all ages -  picture books, chapter books, short story collections, young adult novels and adult non-fiction.  He enjoyed a weekly column with the Sydney Morning Herald until being recently restructured from the paper and writes for Australian Golf Digest. He spends a great deal of time talking in schools pushing the importance of literacy.

Andrew lives on the northern beaches with his wife and three children, is half the golfer he’d like to be. His latest books are the hilarious series for young readers about a sleepwalking dog called Skoz, and a reworking of the best-selling Cheeky Monkey.

 

 

 

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22 Responses to this article

  1. rache June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    you’re fun!

     
    • Margaret June 29, 2012 Reply
       
       

      Welcome to the Hoopla Andrew.
      I have tears of laughter running down my cheeks. We have a couple of chooks too. Sounds just like our house. And the cleaning……Oh yes .
      Looking forward to reading more of your articles.

       
  2. Mrs Woog June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Oh I m so like your mum! I clean for the cleaners and when they leave, I walk around the house admiring the job they have done. And literally ten minutes later the whole thing is a complete shambles!

    But I had those ten minutes. Reality is messy and that to me is normal. Great post Andrew! xx

     
  3. Michelle June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I TIDY for the cleaner… I dont clean. Her job is to clean, my job is to put the crap away…!
    PS great article Andrew :D

     
  4. Loreena June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Oh boy do we have panic cleans. Love it!! In fact we’re in the process of selling everything to travel around Australia, which at first made me sad to get rid of our things. After a few surprise visitors this week, I’m actually super glad we won’t have enough stuff with us to require panic cleans any more. After all there’s no spare room in a caravan to hide all the crap anyway lol. Great article.

     
  5. Red 60 June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Welcome Andrew! And yes I do clean up and my Sons say – Whos’s coming Over Mum, as if it’s the only time I ever do it… But since some of them have moved out that mad panic has died down and it’s them who ‘panic’ just a little when “Mum’ turns up at their place…

     
  6. The Huntress June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Hahaha, I completely panic clean! Day-to-day I live in such a state of embarrassing filth because I don’t believe in wasting time on housework when I’d rather be applying makeup or reading The Hoopla or something. The dogs rule the house and the fur is unbelievable (one short haired dog, one incredibly fluffy long haired dog). I’m resigned to it and I’m happy that way, but if someone comes over – quick!!! Clean the house!!!

     
  7. Victoriously June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    We love it when visitors announce they’re coming as it’s the only time we clean up! Otherwise we just live in a pigsty really. Our kids have a gazillion plastic “toy boxes” in their bedroom but at any one time there’s only about 2 toys left in them, the rest are sprawled out all over the house. The vacuuming is the hardest.. our dog is super fluffy and rolls himself all over the carpet coz it feels good. He’s also insane and can’t be left outside coz he barks like a broken car alarm, so we are forced to let him stay inside.. and he’s old, really old.. and let’s say so are his bowels!! Ewww. Luckily my pocket money bribes are working and I have 3 darlings that have the OSSIC (oh sh*t someone is coming) explosion all under control. They have picked up a routine! The 11yo calmly does the kitchen & dishes (and willingly holds her nose to collect any dog surprises), the 7yo does the loungeroom & vacuums and the 5yo puts away the toys lol. They have it all downpat now, takes them about 30 minutes. Meanwhile I roll around like a chook with it’s legs cut off totally freaking!! I wonder if I’d be any different if I had a cleaner?

     
  8. Wendy Harmer June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    hahah! Slobs unite. Seriously! I stress about this more than anyone else. We don’t have a cleaner ( husband doesn’t want anyone moving his stuff and likes his privacy) kids don’t give a rats…
    Thank god for visitors!! It’s the only time I can bully anyone into doing anything.
    In the end, I figure, if they are content being pigs… it’s me who’s out of step.
    keep the kitchen and main room of the house tidy and , as for the rest…

     
  9. Ro. Watson June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    This is a smart funny article which I must pick up from the floor before my cleaner arrives……

     
  10. Aeron Winters June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Our house is pretty reasonable…as reasonable as too adults, one teenager, three cats and dogs can keep it anyway. Well, okay, it’s probably pretty bad by some standards, I would certainly have to tidy up if some house/home mag wanted to come for a photo shoot, but it’s clean enough for us, and our company. I have always told all my friends/family/acquaintances that if they are coming to visit us, come anytime and make yourself at home. On the other hand, if they want to come see my house, they had better make an appointment…perhaps far far into the future. I guess the only good think I ever liked about renting (we finally bought our own place a few years ago) is that every six months the house got a thorough scrub top to bottom.

     
  11. Jenny E. June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Of course you clean for the cleaner! I spend at least 2 hours getting everything off the floor, on the line, off the benches, cleaning the kitchen – so then the floors and bathrooms are ready – it feels so wonderful to have the house clean for those few hours after the cleaner – but that is about as long as it lasts………………Having a function at your own home is also cause for panic and a huge clean up. It makes sense to me!

     
  12. Vanessa June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    How I laughed. I did a panic clean today as my parents were coming to stay for a while I spent an inordinate amount of time outside chasing my chickens off the patio so I could hose down mountains of chook poo and I even cleaned the dog hair out from under the lounge cushions.

    Oh Andrew I’m glad you found your way into here as I have lost track of you in the paper.

     
  13. J (another one) June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    (Grin)

    We (hubby and I) are with you on this. It took a fair bit of self talk to achieve this enlightened state though. We spoke to ourselves sternly and relaxed. Life is much better.

    However, occasionally when things have gotten completely out of hand, we do a tactical invite of people who we know place bit more importance on such things. It guarantees the annual spring clean and we celebrate with a glass of something.

     
  14. Jo-Anne June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I ask myself “did cave woman have to stack the rocks or sweep the cave” ? From the moment we are born it seems our very existence requires copious amounts of crap! Crap that we just can’t live without but requires constant tidying up or cleaning. In an observing mode I watched how the mess happens…. very inocently ….. a glass of water hmmm – glass on coffee table.. stays put. Uh an apple! core next to chair on little table. mum cleans it. I give up – it just is… :)

     
  15. Sal June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    As an old hand at the cleaning the house for the cleaner, I have recently come up with the perfect way to get your teenager to clean. I have just employed someone she works with to clean my house! Simple. She now runs around the morning of the “cleaning day” picking everything up and actually putting things away! I even get a lecture when I get home from work on what she had to do to make the house tidy. If only I’d known it was so simple….

     
  16. Jacqui Manning June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Welcome Andrew!! I’d wondered where you’d got to! :)
    I’m lucky if I even manage a panic clean these days, the two little ‘uns seem to zap all time and energy into some black hole or vacuum (not really a vacuum or the floors would be clean).

     
  17. Andrew D June 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Oh, what fun to be part of Hoopla!

     
  18. Neat freak June 30, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I tidy for the cleaners because I feel guilty if I don’t – isn’t it disrespectful to ask someone else to clean, let alone tidy your mess? Especially in the bathroom! It might be because I was raised in a tidy house as the eldest of eight. My husband and daughter don’t seem to see the mess! I have long ago had to accept that my standards are different and therefore I have to do the cleaning and tidying and cushion plumping since I am the one with the ‘problem’….

     
  19. mummaducka June 30, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Totally relate to this. I decided a few years ago that I was going to relax about all this, as long as there wasn’t copious amounts of dog hair (My 4 little dogs don’t come inside as much as they used to) and filth hanging around and my kitchen, bathroom and laundry are spotless I can bear it.
    I realized that if I want to live with my family then I have to relax about the untidiness, and not be that screaming, nasty, name calling, wicked witch mother and wife nagging about the stuff. We live busy lives with priorities other than housework!
    I used to sometimes pull allnighters putting away the crapola that had vomitted out of bedrooms, cupboards, bags, mailbox and the laundry the night before the cleaner came. Then, my house keeper passed away 3 years ago (not from exhaustion of cleaning my house!) and I have not got another one, I cannot bear to ‘replace’ her, she was such a good friend and support for 15 years and I miss her terribly. She was a real part of the family. My house has not had a proper, total, all on the one day clean since. But oh how I DO NOT miss that night before tidy up!
    Just remember ALL visitors are more interested in the (non exhausted) welcome at the door and the food, drink and company than the state of grottiness of the house and a bit of (or lot of) gear hanging around!!!! Just swipe off the table and clear a path to it!

     
  20. thefu50s June 30, 2012 Reply
     
     

    My resolve has weakened. I’m getting cleaners in again on a fortnightly basis. Lucy and her sister were great but they went back to their home country and then I was cleaner-less by choice. However each time the bathroom reaches my meter-of-grossness I decide it’s time to get a cleaner. Meanwhile a day or two later, suddenly, I’ll just be reading or sitting watching tv, (and it can happen day or night) and I’ll get this niggling thought in my head that I really should clean the bathroom. And the bloody thought won’t go away. It stick in my head obsessively. And then after a while, I give in. Go into the bathroom and stash everything that lives in the bathroom but gets in the way of cleaning it into the hall, start cleaning and it’s non-stop. (I can’t work out how people can just stop cleaning their bathrooms mid clean and answer the phone or god-forbid answer the door because by the time I’m 5 minutes into cleaning the bathroom I’m soaking wet and feeling gross myself). I’m heading for the finish line by then, and then it’s into the shower, wash myself, my hair and get dressed in clean clothes. Wait for the bathroom to dry and move all that stuff I threw in the hall back into the bathroom.

    I’ve just written this and I’m exhausted. I hate cleaning the frigging bathroom. I’m waiting for those cleaners that I haven’t employed yet.

     
  21. Lisa July 4, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Reading this has resonated so much and made me feel very happy that living with less than perfection is normal and healthy. I grew up in a house where my mum (who I love dealy) was always on our backs about tidying up (or that is what sticks in my memories). She is very houseproud and our mess, which we didn’t even notice, caused her much anguish. When we three kids were in primary school she even had the house carpeted in an expensive cream wool carpet. Shrieks of, “take your shoes off” every time we entered the house. The paradox is that now she cleans my house for me every two weeks for $50 bucks, bargain! She does an excellent job. Pre-clean clean? You betcha. The rest of the time, we wallow in happy family chaos.

     

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