• Thank you Germaine, great writing, well said and all the facts, no bullshit. What a shame people like Ann Noyd, can't see the forest for the LNP trees! PM Julia Gillard, will prevail, will win and will take our great nation on to even further greatness. The options are not even worth throwing up about, that's how Abbot makes so many of us feel. Lately I've even had friends who have never had a political sinew in their bodies before saying to me, "got to keep Julia Gillard, that liberal moron will send us all back to the 1800s" and he would, given half the chance. Julia Gillard, as Tony Windsor seconded, has been brilliant as the PM of a hung parliament, JG must be permitted to continue her great work for our nation. - NarelleM
  • And in Victoria it is impossible to get a taxi to take you a short distance and with Jill Maher case she was a short distance from home, in a brightly lit street with people around her and there is no way a taxi would take her that short distance from the safety of her friends to the safety of her house. So even the bloke walking home with money would not be able to get a taxi here. The blame the victim attitude in Victoria in the late 60s they seriously tried to put a curfew on women. And we need to understand that even walking with a male to escort you is not safe, I have been in three situations where the men I was walking with (either close friends or husband) were attacked. My earlier experiences of being assaulted led to me being explosive (vocally) as they were attacked. In one case I stepped in and took a punch to protect the young man I was with as I knew that the blokes across the road would react to a woman being hit and come and help me, the second case my friend and I walked around the block for some fresh air whilst at a party, we passed a group of men who ran up behind us and smashed him over the head with a bottle. He arrived back at the party so stunned he had no idea where I was, others at the party found me screaming abuse at the blokes and rescued me. The third time we had just left a bookstore I worked, for after an evening with an author, by the time the blokes in the car had done a u turn to attack us, we were saved by the sheer number of our party who they had not noticed. - sue Bell
  • Ah just got the joke Annoyed. I am slipping. - Dianne
  • Ann I am afraid most of us are having to use a crystal ball to tell us what Tony has in store. He sure isn't saying much. If you want a glimpse though head off to the Institute of Public Affairs website and then on to Cori Bernardi MP's websites. They may give you some clues. Oh happy, happy days. - Dianne
  • And how many decades has Ms. Greer spent outside of her birth country! Her opinions aren't worth much as an outsider peeking in when the spirit moves her.. And what a hide speculating on how Tony Abbott will govern the country. Does she have a crystal ball pray tell! Wake up Hoopla readers. ps: I don't condone the treatment JG has suffered from some quarters but that's no reason to vote for her. The woman is clearly out of her depth. - Ann Noyd
  • I have had a sincere admiration for your work Germaine Greer, and enjoyed your article and perspective. I must admit, I was perplexed by your comments about our incumbent Prime Minister given your published works and what I perceived to be your feminist ideals. However, one rainfall does not a flood make, and I really welcome your recognition of the revolting attitudes towards Julia Gillard and your (perhaps qualified) support for her return as our preferred Prime Minister. My belief is that she has achieved an enviable amount given the difficulties inherent within the framework of a minority government, division within the Labour Party over Kevin Rudd, and the extraordinary personal attacks from both the media and the opposition benches. Of course, I know I do not vote for the leader of the Australian Labour Party, but she has my unqualified support as Prime Minister, and my singular vote will be directed towards my local ALP candidate. The alternative is appalling. - Nel Matheson
  • Thankyou again Helen b. your generosity and sensitivity shines through. Tony W is a welcome addition. Agree. - Dianne
  • @ Tony W I must take issue with "Abbott .....he's been the most effective opposition leader we've ever seen." That "gushing" statement was made by Chris Uhlmann , ABC TV and I beg to differ , Abbott failed at the 2010 election . Failed in negotiations with the independents after that election. Failed to " be in the Lodge by Xmas", an arrogant claim he made. Failed to prevent this Minority Government from completing it's Full Term. What he's succeeded at is dividing the country and condoning the sexist abuse of our elected PM. I would suggest that every Opposition Leader who has won the office of PM, has been more successful than Abbott. Gillard / Rudd / Howard / Hawk etc etc. - Carole/m
  • This article highlights how insidious is societal conditioning that women must be all things to all people, but let's not ask much of men, because it would be unrealistic to expect boys to be anything but boys, This thinking is insulting to men and women and is why we have generation after generation of sexism, misogyny etc. Generally speaking, the bar is set very low for males and ridiculously high for females, sending the incorrect message to both genders. Maybe it starts with sons being asked to do as many chores around the house as daughters. To be expected home at the same time as daughters. Not backslapping the son for sowing his wild oats while the daughter is expected, even in the most Western of cultures, to not bring shame on her family. - Anna
  • Yes Dianne. I appreciate your writing. I don't know how JG keeps going, but as you said the other day 'The Drover's Wife'. I really feel the need for as many as possible to address the ignorance and really appreciate those, such as yourself, who are participating so vociferously in offering educated and aware commentary. There are a number of amazing women who comment on this site and who are keeping people informed about what's happening. Carole/m, Joanne H and Narelle M are 3 that immediately come to mind. I know I've left out some but, I appreciate you all and your contribution. Hard to keep up to it all when life entails other demands. Tony W is a welcome addition to the site. We sure need a few men with critical thinking and a gentle touch. - helen b
 
Categories:  In The Arena, The Dating Project, Wellbeing

THE DATING PROJECT #12. ACTION!

The Dating Project follows the adventures of three women Lou Lou ( 30s), Astrid (40s) and Eloise (50s) as they navigate the tricky online dating scene. Along the way they have the support and advice of renowned sex therapist Bettina Arndt and relationship counsellor Rob Tiller.

 

From Here to Eternity… maybe?

Wow, sexy week with both Lou Lou and Eloise getting some action. More about that later…

But also plenty of excitement all around with the team chatting on radio programs across Australia about their adventures. It was great fun – go here if you’d like to hear their voices.

The big thrill was that after a very lively talk-back program with James Valentine on Sydney’s ABC 702 involving Lou Lou, Astrid and me, all three of us attracted potential suitors keen to get in touch!

Lou Lou’s admirer was particularly enterprising, wooing her through last week’s comments section in The Dating Project. We’ll keep you posted on how this all develops but sadly my suitor was 52 and 5’7” – not quite what I have in mind.

It was interesting to see the reaction of the various interviewers to the girls’ progress. One woman was most surprised to hear how long it was taking to actually go out on dates. Obviously she didn’t understand that internet dating, particularly for many in the older age groups, is more of a marathon than a sprint. An ultra-marathon, adds Astrid.

But that’s how it should be… taking time to make contact, to start chatting or emailing, and then gradually leading up to phone contact and perhaps the coffee date. This gradual approach works well – with the various stages helping people find their feet step by step.

And besides… we all have very busy lives alongside the world of dating. This means the whole process has to be squeezed in, with snatched kisses late at night, emailing at lunchtime, checking mail on iPhones on the run.

So we feel the team is making good progress and we’re far too worldly-wise to expect the business of finding Mr Maybe to be a pushover.

As for my new Dating Advice Service, there’s been plenty of interest but do get in touch if you’d like some help in getting started with internet dating or revamping your profile.

But now, here’s Lou Lou and the Boy:

Man #6, in truth is probably Boy #1 – seven years younger than me and looking every bit of it. Yet he has something many men my age or older don’t seem to have, and that’s the art of banter. God, he is good! And I met him through a friend of a friend. Even better!

But let me show you where Boy #1 separates himself from the men. It goes like this: A boy texts, a man calls. And after getting naked with this boy, you would think that I deserve more than a text!

STOP THE PRESS PEOPLE – I GOT SOME ACTION!!

Oh yes, I got jiggy with it. I actually got a real kiss… and then some! I’m not going to lie, it was grrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaattttttttt. He was an awesome kisser. In fact, I would put him in the Top 5. And I don’t say that lightly.

But before we go on… allow me to vent about modern technology and its ability to draw out the coward in all of us. It’s particularly painful when in the ‘something’ phase with ‘someone’.  It’s not a relationship, it’s not seeing someone… it’s just ‘something’.

Texting is rife in this tenuous stage. I find it as dangerous as an Afghan safety zone, yet it can also be strangely safe – because you hide behind emoticons and the lag of mobile networks.

Here’s an example…

Man/boy #6 sends a text message 3 days after spending the night with me – standard practice, so no alarm bells are ringing.

I respond 10 minutes later (I don’t believe in playing games).

After 32 hours and counting, I am yet to receive a text from him (I dive into a mild panic and convince myself that Man/Boy #6 has retrospectively found me, and my body, horrendously offensive and undeserving of a text response).

We are now 48 hours and counting – there is still no response. (I have had a small teary while washing my hair).

It is 3pm and I am late to an advertising seminar on the future. I snake my way through rows and rows of seated people with their knobbly knees to find a spare seat. Who do I sit next to? OH YES IT IS MAN/BOY #6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think: How funny. He must also be interested in the future. Not ours. But the future. Clearly not ours. Because I can see he is holding a fully functioning mobile phone which will have received my text.

This is one of those moments where my plotline is bigger than any rom-com with Katherine Heigl or Jennifer Aniston. If I am being truly honest, I just want to evaporate. My ego feels bruised and in shock. I can see that Man/Boy#6 is also stunned. He is doing some rapid pen tapping and a lot of fidgeting. He tries to talk to me while very important people are discussing the future of advertising.

BIG DEEP BREATH. I take a moment and realise I have two choices: I can soak in the awkwardness or I can stop and actually listen to my instinct. My instinct tells me I singlehandedly created this tumultuous pool of panic that now surrounds me. I could have texted him, or heaven forbid – called him!

My instinct tells me I would have called him, if I really wanted to. My instinct also tells me: Let him go. As nice and as lovely as he is – he’s just not meant for me. Most importantly my instinct reminds me that I want a man who I find inspiring and loves to be inspired by me.

Oh, can I put a request in that this dream man have a bit of banter and do the occasional phone call rather than text, pretty please?

Rob says:  Ooh la la to the sexy rendezvous, Lou Lou. It’s good to rock and roll that mojo before it hijacks your ability to navigate dates with men who possess a bit more partner potential.  And after spending years learning to ‘relax my jaw and soften my mouth’ I can appreciate the acquired skill of an accomplished kisser.

I’m enjoying your new sense of playfulness. It seems you’re effectively rolling with the punches as your instincts challenge your unhelpful thoughts even when you’re emotionally hot under the collar. When we’re feeling rejected, it can be such a temptation to click into ‘poor me’ mode but I really like you shushing the victim voice and reclaiming your backbone. And as your dating confidence continues to take root, you’ll appreciate how each date, regardless of the outcome, will ultimately be orienting you to the qualities that you’re looking for in a future long-term man.

 Bettina says: And Lou, Lou, you are so right – texting isn’t the language of love. I think the move away from long, heavy-breathing phone calls has been disastrous for romantic relationships… but maybe I am just showing my age.

And now, one HUGE Step for Astrid…

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4 Responses to this article

  1. Jackie July 27, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Hi,

    As a seasoned RSVP’er and 52 years old, I’m not sure that I agree with the theory of taking your time to-ing and fro-ing with emails.

    I have found that unrealistic expectations can be made and when you finally meet, you feel disappointed.

    I also believe that if you like a guy, you need to move quickly.
    The biggest problem with Internet dating is what I call the “white noise”. You start to get to know someone but you’re both distracted by the “white noise” of others in the background. That old “grassisgreeneritiis” disease.

    Why am I still single? Married for a very long time, not needy or desperate, but I am too damn fussy. I am learning to slowly broaden my parameters.

     
  2. Alice Shaw July 27, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Oh the dating game.. how I’ve both loved and loathed it. The last person I had feelings for did not having feelings for me (and that was over 2 years ago now). The last person I had a coffee with seemed so old! He was only 7 years older than me but I felt like I was with my dad (or at least an older uncle). The last person I received a “kiss” from, included half naked pictures of himself which I felt were not as attractive as he clearly thought they were.

    So here I am, lookin’ for some lovin’ – if the dating project girls are getting action through this column then I say fellas, look me up!!

    I, like Lou Lou, don’t mind the text but a lovely post coital phone call is always preferable… at least I think so, it’s getting hard to remember that far back… :-)

     
  3. The Huntress July 27, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Ah, I almost feel wistful for being single again. Mr. Huntress notwithstanding, I absolutely loved being single and dating. I suppose I just enjoy meeting and bantering with new people and I have problems not flirting with every single person I meet (so I’ve been told, I don’t do it on purpose!).

    Good luck with all the action, ladies! You’re all glittering gems who deserve the best of it all :)

     
  4. JC July 28, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Jackie raises a good point. I have no experience of online dating (still watching from the sidelines) but there is some very interesting economic psychology research on the paralysing effects of many choices. It seems we have to develop ways to break choice-making down, such as comparing two things (men/women) at a time and then moving through a list that way. It seems to me that the structure of RSVP is such that one is always tempted to see what (who) will be available next so there would be a reluctance to make a choice.
    PS Eloise’s silver fox (thinking James Brolin or maybe George Hamilton) is a player (‘my new fabulous girlfriend’??).

     

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