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THE VAGINA DIALOGUES

As notions of feminism, sexism and misogyny gain more and more traction in the mainstream media, slowly but surely those very same notions are being used as weapons against women.

The sheer stupidity and lack of logic of these ‘arguments’ has been overlooked by the mainstream media because gender-based abuse means ratings and profits.

Two days ago, an angry young man gave Kate Ellis a lecture on the ABC’s Q&A. Aggressively leaning forward and jabbing his finger at her, he declared that she didn’t know anything about feminism and he knew it all.

 

Monday night’s Q&A panel.
 

I was looking forward to watching Ellis put ...

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110 Comments

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Jennie

    Corinne, your writing improves my day every time a new article pops up.

    I very seldom watch political speeches but I sat mesmerised by Gillard’s 15 minute speech, and even applauded (in front of my computer). Worldwide attention, but domestic gender-based dismissal. Gender politics won’t stay on the front page for long, but here’s hoping some messages get through to the public and politicians while they’re briefly paying attention.

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      Steve Shilkin

      I am a baby Boomer- enlightened thinking caring yadyada. sorry but the bulk of us and there is a BIG bulging bulk dont tweet and facebook in the proportion that those down the gens do!? WE are sick of the banality of the debate and extrapolation of the fringes of sexism and masogeny being dragged for ward as though these fringe offences being blown up are worthy of the attention they are getting. what mainstream is on about is that these distortions are actually about winning the daily poll results front and central. Aboriginal people are in third world conditions, refugee children risk being sent to live in tents in diabolical places and we are focused on nuances of he said she said…. please please dont now think i support the idiot Jones. get on with really placing women on pedastals and working to stamp out domestic violence NOT getting vocal on beat ups of the fringe of sexist activity… wrong as that also is!!

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    MoniqueN

    The boys club mentality really does have to stop. Sorry boys we’re here to play and we’re going to stay. Get used to it. Bleating about how we’re not being nice feminists by refusing to accept misogyny and name calling is really getting very old.

    Dear Peter Hartcher – yesterday the PM was a flag bearer for women, which is why so many of them have come out in support of her, please try to keep up.

    • Reply October 14, 2012

      Zelda

      Anne Summers’ recently wrote on her blog about the dreadful caricaturisation of Julia Gillard by the cartoonist Pickering …..most offensive !!!! Apparently he sends them to all politicians regularly.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Rosie

    Thank you Corinne, Jennie and MoniqueN – great post – excellent comments.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Margot

    Thanks Corinne. Another great article. I was naive enough to think that Julia Gillard would get some kudos in the Australian media for yesterday’s speech, but sadly, the same old (mostly male) journos have yet again decided to attack her on what I considered to be one of the most honest, brave and forthright political speeches I’ve heard in a long time. Whichever way she turns, Gillard is constantly subjected to derision in the mainstream media. Either she’s not tough enough, or she’s overstating her case (as Hartcher implies), and I don’t think it’s feminist paranoia to put it down to good old-fashioned sexism.
    As to the behaviour of Tony Jones and his mostly male panel on Q&A last night – for shame! Not only did Jones silence Kate Ellis before she could reply to that lecturing creep in the audience, but Lindsay Tanner and Poodles Pyne were having a good old chin-wag about Downton Abbey while Kate Ellis was trying to make a point. And Tony Jones didn’t interrupt them. Pathetic.

    • Reply October 10, 2012

      helenbea

      More excellent commentary Corinne! So right about all the mainstream bigotry.

      Yes Margot…I was really shocked at the behaviour of the men on Q&A last Monday. Tony Jones has been displaying increasing laxity in monitoring speakers and controlling the panel, particularly in relation to the male/female balance of time speaking and interruptions. He has come out of the closet as one of the boys club and sometimes I feel he and the male guests are having a beer together down at the pub!

      This week, it seems the ABC presenters of Current Affairs programs have been given some direction to lighten up on the ‘right’ wing and go in hard on Labour. Tony Jones, Leigh Sales last night and Emma Alberici on Lateline were taking on a whole new tack. Leigh and Emma, both aggressive, not listening etc and Tony with his accommodation of rudeness and domination from the men on the panel.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Carole

    Thanks Corinne,
    Love your work.

    Derryn Hinch on Radio 3AW Melbourne
    read out a list this afternoon , naming all the Labor front bench who voted against sacking Peter Slipper, he brought particular attention to the women who are apparently all hypocrites.

    I actually decided to ring the open line , thought I’d do my bit as I’m sick of hearing the male opinion go unchallenged.

    Told him I thought PMs speech was great & women all over the world were absolutely thrilled , that’s pretty much all I got out before he started talking over the top of me & then I got the flick.

    Hitch was only interested in pushing his point that the Labor Party are all hypocrites.

    Ho Hum!!!

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      Kerry C

      Derryn Hinch is just another would-be if he could be Alan jones, who is himself, just a radio announcer.

      I was absolutely delighted by our PMs speech. Apart from what she said, it’s about time someone took a big (proverbial) stick that that whining little Abbott character.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Kath

    I’m getting increasingly angry & confused. Did I watch a different speech to the media yesterday? I thought Gillard was simply, quite brilliant in tearing Tony Abbott a new one. And what i really noticed while she was speaking was the silence in the house like everyone was hanging on her every word. Tony Abbott slowly dying inside because she was quoting back to him every snide and below-the-belt remark he had made. He had nowhere to hide. THAT was the news story, Australian media. Nothing more. Nothing less. I’m not going to let our media take my opinion on what I witnessed yesterday and morph it into something else.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Keziah Hill

    Great post Corinne. I was so disappointed in Hartcher’s article. I don’t know what he was watching but it wasn’t the speech I saw.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Sue

    Thank you – bravo Corinne – great article so well written. Strongly agree.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    dramaqueen75

    She was inspirational. I know a lot of people have been commenting that she did not address the issue of Peter Slipper however, other members of the Labor Party did. Her role was to remind Abbott that he was in no position to lecture her about sexism – which, if you listen to his motion against the speaker is exactly what he did; oh, and of course he was ill-advised to use the phrase “government should die of shame!” What was he thinking??? If you listened to question time you would have heard others speaking to the issue including, surprise surprise, Bob Katter, who was actually articulate in explaining why he would abstain from voting as he was against turning parliament into a “kangaroo court”. It was inappropriate to move a motion to dismiss the speaker over a case that is still in court. Simple as that.

    We are stuck in this weird Twilight Zone in our media commentary where the facts get overlooked in favour of reporting about people. personalities and anything else that may read as controversial and inflame people to comment on newspaper websites and talk back radio.

    It’s negative and dumbs down debate. It’s insulting to us all.

    Thanks for your thoughtful contribution Corrine

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Stacie

    Thank you for yet another wonderful piece, Corrine.
    I couldn’t be more proud of our PM. Why there is such negativity directed towards Gillard because of it just stuns me.
    It’s a sad state of affairs when some women are being influenced by the anti-feminism messages flooding the Australian media.
    I actually fear what will happen if Abbott ever becomes PM.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Dylan Carmichael

    I posted a link to Gillard’s speech on my google+ account, tagged it, and within minutes I had a Liberal Gillard-basher on my post explaining how “Her views however seemed to come from a place of biggoted sexist prejudice themselves.” and that she used flimsy out-of-context quotes.

    As an Australian man, I was left shaking my head, saying “what the hell is wrong with Aussie guys?” All I can say is that it’s a shame that this shining moment for Gillard was tarnished by the fact that she was defending, however loosely, then-Speaker Peter Slipper…

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      Ella

      Dylan, it was great reading you post, so glad to know there are intelligent guys out there.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Kellie

    Thank you Corinne, finally some sanity in the madness. I thought Q and A this week was terrifying for women – a glimpse of a world with Abbott as Prime Minister. The most telling point for me was Pyne and Tanner held their own schoolyard conversation down one end of the table as Ellis put forward her counter arguments. Only as appalling as the way Pyne continued to straight faced deny the facts put to him by Ellis and the audience. It was really an awful display.
    And I agree – lame vag jokes vs deeply ingrained misogony – which has been wantonly displayed by many men who’ve loved their wives, mothers, daughters and sisters in the past, well I know which one I’d prefer to put up with any day!!

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Tine

    I noted in one capital city news photographs today how Tony Abbott had a finger pointing authoritarian stance. Julia Gillard’s was of her arms open inclusive style, hands turned in.
    Guess that says it all.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Tracey

    I knew that i could come to The Hoopla and find an article about Julia Gillard’s speech that represented my own views. How disappointing that other members of the Australian media are unable to do this. I also applauded at the end of the Prime Minister’s speech, as did my seventeen year old daughter. Thanks for a wonderful article, Corrine.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Deb

    Dear Corinne,

    This may just be the finest analysis of this whole sorry little exercise I’ve seen. Thanks for your insight and your voice.

    LOVE YOUR WORK, Lo these many years

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    sue

    Separation of powers, the mainstay of our democracy and yet the experts of the press gallery one and all, missed it completely. Must have been because “she” tore strips off their hero.
    Thanks for a great article

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      anne louise

      Well put Sue. What’s the matter with people?

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Carole

    Julie Bishop is also everywhere claiming that the

    PMs speech has put womens cause back years.

    What a sad example she is to young women.

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      kerry c

      I think Ms Bishop must be a male LNP in drag to tell you the truth… Se does more for the cause of putting women back in the 19th century than anyone I know of.

      • Reply October 11, 2012

        Kara

        Corinne- A voice of reason in the BS that is Australian mainstream media. High 5 to the Prime Minister for getting some fire in her belly and back-handing that incompetant opposition leader right back into the 1950′s where he belongs. I may not agree with everything our Prime Minister does, however in this case I must say that my hat is well and truly off. :D

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Alice Shaw

    I think the PM’s speech was fantastic. I don’t agree with some of the decisions she has made but the decision to stand up and say enough is enough was spectacular. I can’t understand how anyone could possibly perceive what she did as setting women back – that very argument is simply another means of attempting to set women back. I will show this speech to my daughters, I will talk about it to my staff, I will discuss it with my mother and anyone else who wants to talk about it. Because both what she said and how she delivered it was brilliant. We are sick to death of being put down simply because we have vaginas and I for one would like to thank the PM for telling it like it is.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Matron of Parkville

    Brilliant, Corinne, everyone in this country needs to read and memorise and be tested on this article. Well done. Never stop.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Amanda

    Yes, it is sad. She is holding the Party line. Although she didn’t look too impressed with Chris Pyne’s attempt to trivialise the PM’s speech with his lame reference to bloke’s vs shiela’s.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    MWS

    Amazingly, the overseas coverage I have seen (on this issue) was completely accurate,and referred to the separation of powers. One site even explained why the members weren’t referred to by name, but as “The member for XXXX.” I even learned why the Speaker says “I name the member for XXXX” when they warn them for their behaviour.
    The Australian media almost all missed the point – no wonder the MSM is in trouble if this is the quality of their reporting! More “he said – she said” stuff and what they do analyse they get wrong!

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Grace

    Bravo Corinne! So glad someone in the media has something sensible and factual to say about Gillard’s speech. I’ve been very disappointed with most of the reporting today. Just listened to a talk about it on Brisbane 612ABC, and the presenter didn’t seem to have any idea of the facts. If you watch Gillard’s speech she’s quite clearly not supporting Slipper or his text messages, but is attacking Abbott’s double standard. Although I haven’t supported many of Gillard’s decisions as PM, her speech was inspirational and IMO is one of the best speeches ever given in Question Time. I’m sharing it with everyone.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    villy

    Australia’s treatment of women in leadership or representative positions is abysmal – presently and historically. After catching up on the events in Australia (I am an ex-pat) over the past few days, I decided to spend a couple of hours reading about other women in leadership positions. Very interesting.

    For those who are interested, here is a list of international women who are incumbent elected or appointed heads of state or government (not including monarchs). Feel free to do some research and get inspired:

    ∙ Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Liberia, President, 6 years, 267 days
    ∙ Doris Leuthard, Switzerland, Member of the Swiss Federal Counil, 6 years, 69 days
    ∙ Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Argentina, President, 4 years, 304 days
    ∙ Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, Switzerland, Member of the Swiss Federal Council, 4 years, 282 days
    ∙ Dalia Grybauskaitė, Lithuania, President, 3 years, 89 days
    ∙ Laura Chinchilla, Costa Rica President, 2 years, 154 days
    ∙ Simonetta Sommaruga, Switzerland, Member of the Swiss Federal Council, 1 year, 343 days
    ∙ Dilma Rousseff, Brazil, President, 1 year, 282 days
    ∙ Atifete Jahjaga, Kosovo, President, 1 year, 185 days
    ∙ Joyce Banda, Malawi, President, 185 days
    ∙ Denise Bronzetti, San Marino ,Captain Regent, 0 years, 8 days
    ∙ Pearlette Louisy, Saint Lucia, Governor-General, 15 years, 22 days
    ∙ Louise Lake-Tack, Antigua and Barbuda, Governor-General, 5 years, 84 days
    ∙ Quentin Bryce, Australia, Governor-General, 4 years, 34 day
    ∙ Sylvie Hubac, Andorra, French Representative of Andorra, 0 years, 147 days
    ∙ Angela Merkel, Germany, Chancellor, 6 years, 322 days
    ∙ Hasina Wazed, Bangladesh, Prime Minister, 3 years, 277 days
    ∙ Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, Iceland, Prime Minister, 3 years, 251 days
    ∙ Laura Chinchilla, Costa Rica, President, 2 years, 154 days
    ∙ Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Trinidad and Tobago, Prime Minister, 2 years, 136 days
    ∙ Julia Gillard, Australia, Prime Minister, 2 years, 107 day
    ∙ Dilma Rousseff, Brazil, President, 1 year, 282 days
    ∙ Yingluck Shinawatra, Thailand, Prime Minister, 1 year, 65 days
    ∙ Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Denmark, Prime Minister, 1 year, 6 days
    ∙ Portia Simpson-Miller , Jamaica, Prime Minister, 0 years, 278 days
    ∙ Joyce Banda, Malawi, President, 0 years, 185 days
    ∙ Denise Bronzetti, San Marino, Captain Regent, 0 years, 8 days

    Enjoy!

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      JoanneH

      villy, what an impressive list! I thought of another – Helen Clark, Leader of New Zealand Labour Party for 14 years, and Prime Minister for 9 of those. She has been Head of the United Nations Development Programme for the past 3 years, and was placed 20th on the ‘Forbes Magazine’ list of the Most Powerful Women in the World in 2006. As with Julia Gillard she put up with a lot of disgusting misogyny, especially due to being childless.

      New Zealand have also had two female Governor Generals, and the Chief Justice of their Highest Court since 1999 is Dame Sian Elias QC.

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Bella

    Great article and analysis Corinne. If you think sexism and misogyny is just being ‘imagned’ by intelligent women – just look at the behaviour of the MSM and the conservative side of politics

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    Rhoda

    A lucid analysis, Corinne. Other journalists have let the ball go to slips. I was reading a few comments earlier and none seemed to get that this whole week has been a watershed moment for women in politics. I’ve never known a week quite like it. Whether you share our PM’s political beliefs or not we can certainly be proud of her. Trumped both AJ and TA and did it in style. She was just awesome!

  • Reply October 10, 2012

    JM

    Excellent article Corinne.

    However Peter Hartcher is not that intelligent. He is still pining for Kevin Rudd to an almost indecent degree.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Kaz

    Well said, Corinne.

    I don’t think the PM was playing the gender card. Her words felt like they came from her gut and reasonated with me.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Franny64

    I was appalled at Tony Jones allowing Lindsay Tanner and Christopher Pyne to get away with their school boy behaviour on Q&A. My husband thinks Tony was “letting them hang themselves” but I am not so sure. Julia Gillard’s speech was inspirational and it’s about time Tony Abbott is called to account for the misinformation he spreads!

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      DebL

      My husband said the same thing! Which they certainly did. However, Kate Ellis deserved an opportunity to take on that creepy feminist “expert”, and Tony Jones took that from her. Bad decision there.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    chris

    All tthose big strong men standing up for us little women against the insults of Peter Slipper why it fair makes a woman swoon. Not

    Brilliant article Corrine, brilliant speech Julia. As if women, having experienced the real deal for years and years and years, can’t tell real mysogyny when they see it -Tony

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Jasmine

    Thank you for this rational essay. I woke to a link posted in horrified disgust by one if my sons to Andrew Bolt’s enraged, illogical shriekings. Yours is not only better written but even makes sense!!!! Love you!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    janet

    I was appalled at the disrespect toward Kate Ellis on QandA. I watched QT and was baffled by Tony Abbott’s words. Then when the PM responded I was elated. I immediately rang my daughter to tell her to watch it too. Big fail by our domestic media with their misguided response.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    TraceyA

    Great piece Corinne. The PM’s speech was brilliant and long overdue. It was rightly applauded by women and a good many thinking men, both here and overseas. I have no idea whether it was laziness, bias, sexism or a mix of all three but the Australian mainstream media completely missed what the real story was. Old style media has been fighting for some time to maintain relevance and they certainly did their cause no favours yesterday.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Carole

    Just read the’national’ newspaper – more like an unpaid Liberal advertisement. So much misrepresentation and downright ignorance. These guys just don’t get it! Thank you Corinne for an inspiring article with many quotable lines. The most exhilarating aspect of this whole backlash is that it proves the feminist argument has traction. Feel like dusting off the purple/white/green ribbons and chaining myself to a fence somewhere.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Christopher

    Good piece of work (reference intended!) Corinne, but can I go one step further and say that Slipper’s ribald and private badinage is not sexist or even misogynist? Making salty private comments about lady’s parts is not a comment against women’s rights, abilities or equality. Slipper did not say women are unfit for power, should only be doing the ironing, or can not make decisions over their fertility without men. The Opposition’s confected outrage over language they’ve all heard before, and probably even used, was accepted by the media who took their position and repeated it loudly into the echo chamber until Slipper’s ‘bearded clam’ comment was s-e-x-i-s-m. Had Slipper made his remarks publicly it would have been in bad taste, but the hysterical bleating of Abbott and company was simply wrong, and so the PM’s reply that she would not be lectured about sexism by Abbott was right on the money.

    Pity the MSM utterly failed to see the difference between the Opposition’s blatant political opportunism and the real sexism that Ms Gillard so brilliantly exposed…and for the entire world to see.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Stephen

    Your article helps balance the grotesque response of the MSM to the PM’s inspirational and accurate speech.

    My only quibble is that you refer to Slipper having made “misogynist” jokes. I do not agree that his mussels metaphor was misogynist. As I read the emails it was intended to promote the virtues of the vag, not denigrate it.

    I believe the hyperbolic, automatic, mock outrage stems from a prudish conservatism that would seek to lock away the vagina as if it were too unspeakable a thing to even contemplate. In other words, it is only the offended response to the Slipper SMS that reveals sexist thought , process, not the SMS themselves.

    And Slipper stating in a private SMS that possibly Mirabella is a botch is such a mild comment the idea that one should cease to be Speaker for sending it is too ridiculous for words. That, or I am a silly bunt.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    BSA Bob

    You’ve nailed it Corinne.
    Hope you’ve got plenty more nails.
    There’s more genuine reflection in this than in the entirety of what I’ve seen so far from the mainstream press.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Robert T.

    I was perhaps naively surprised that the media handled this so poorly. I loved watching JG’s speech, not as a performance though that was well done, but because the political discourse needs to change. Its pathetic that most mainstream media outlets seem to have gone with either the standard angry woman jibe or the even more prevalent point scoring angle.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    james m

    The greatest gift in all this is the awakening of a larger audience to the ongoing failure of the mainstream media in examining and commenting on the political process in this country. Great summation of events!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Lindy

    I do understand why the mainstram media are displaying their ignorance of the importance of the Prime Ministers speech. Have you all forgotten the Margie blitz of last weekend to try to make us see the “feminist” Tony, they put a lot of time effort and skin in the unprecedented effort to enlighten us but alas it seems to have all gone awry. I can’t recall the name of the reporter but his comment was that the ‘mainstram media” had decided that they wanted a change of Government and that was the reason for this b litz

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    jonah stiffhausen

    Since the emancipation of women, government has grown exponentially. If, as most clear thinkers concede, big government is inimical to personal liberty, doesn’t it thereby follow that we should now deprive women of the vote? And if that means they don’t fill their pretty little heads with public affairs, then so much the better. Otherwise the rest of us are going to die of boredom.

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      MazT

      Hmm Jonah, Not negating your argument: Given the tone of male discourse in recent politics, MSM etc., the achievements and goals even in this short time of the “handbags” in politics compared to the “undoing” over years by Howard’s mob, the dominance of men in power over eons leading to wars, destruction of the planet we actually need to live etc., the ability to clearly articulate argument by Grant, Summers et al compared to Hartcher etc., I’d like to suggest that all males be disallowed the vote. Lets’ finally let the women in to sort all this mess out, and increase the tone, Mirabella and O’Dwyer notwithstanding. Just a thought … ;-)

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Jacqueline

    After yesterday’s fury of emails and posting of comments all over the place in response to the mainstream press’s reaction to the PM’s speech, I didn’t think I had another one in me. Then I read your piece , Corinne. You leave the Canberra press gallery for dead. No wonder the print media is increasingly irrelevant.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    et_tu_Brute

    @jonah stiffhausen
    Still trolling…. you’re not very good at this baiting for an argument are you?

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    mrs pops

    argh what’s up Australian media? Back to school for you to read up on the separation of the Executive and the Judiciary. Slipper was always going to go at some point after the Court proceedings. The legal principles of justice and fairness require the Court to decide not the Parliament. Q+A i watched Kate Ellis as she was talked over the top of by Tanner and Pyne and i just knew exactly how she felt.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Annie Also

    Well done Corriine. So so pleased you wrote on this.
    I actually went to the trouble of finding out about ‘separation of powers’ and found that when something is before the courts it cannot be spoken or used in Parliament ( under privilege). THIS is the separation of the Judiciary and the Executive Powers of our Consitution. So I was relieved that you had mentioned this..because no one else in the Main Stream Media seem to notice. Why are they doing their jobs when this middle aged carer can from home?

    I have been disappointed in many of the Govt policies ( asylum seekers, closing down of the chronic dental care, changing the single parent support, staying in Afghanistan, etc) but have been terrified of the idea of Abbott ever becoming PM. Watching his rise since before Howards years has been a daunting and nerve wracking time.
    So to see the PM rise and with great passion and aplomb from deep within her real being topped by her Lawyer ablitity to ‘put the case’ was a revelation. I was watching on computer and got goose bumps as she neared the end. I applauded and yell ‘bloody hell’ to my husbands surprise. He then watched it. He became quite emotional..so so proud and relieved, he said. About time we both nodded.

    And then the backlash in the MSM the next day.
    What the hell was that?
    Ignorance? Laziness? Misreading? Misdirection by their bosses? Confusion? Whatever it was it was wrong, pathetic and totally missed.
    Being from the original 1970′s feminist putsch (even as a ‘stay at home mum’) I have been watching over the years the slow decline in young women’s understanding of the importance of keeping the faith and keeping the fight up to “them”. Hopefully by PM Gillard’s ( I have now a new respect for her) example the baton can now continue being passed the young ones.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Cybele @ BlahBlah Magazine

    Thank you for articulating what I was trying to argue myself this morning:
    Slipper made some lame vag jokes. If he becomes Prime Minister, Abbott has the power to legislate against every vagina in the country.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Janet Georgouras

    Hear, hear, Corinne!

    Tuesday the 9th October 2012 saw our PM advocating for women all over the globe. In the most remarkable and electrifying way, she said what many of us have wanted to vent for a long time.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Trisha

    The great thing about Gillard’s speech was she had facts at her fingertips – not just an emotional rant but dates, times and what was actually said. No wonder they are embarrassed. And talk about hypocrisy – the liberals will of course accept his vote!!!
    Oh and of course trial by media, fired fromm your job without due process….I’m sure there have been many instances where a liberal minister has been caught with his fingers in the pot and they have refused to stand down…What was the argument then?

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Aunty Penny

    Brilliant as always, Corinne.

    A shame more of our media aren’t looking at the big picture and seeing this.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    helenbea

    What a week! What a relief! It felt like a huge weight was lifted from our shoulders when the PM spoke up for women…yes, but also for all those who want equity and justice and for respect for the power of the word to uplift or destroy, to take forward or pull down.

    Just want to say thankyou to all those posting here and elsewhere who are supporting what is happening and applauding this speech as a benchmark for what can be achieved.

    A big thankyou to Corinne and all Hoopla for the voice of sanity in the madness of the media this week. Looking forward to your brilliant commentary of significant events. Intelligence, insight and wit is a great combination.

    Quote for the week??
    ‘Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned’

    Source of this quote – the full quote seems appropriate.

    While many attribute the quote to William Shakespeare, it actually comes from a play called the “The Mourning Bride” (1697) by William Congreve. The complete quote is “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.”

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Emma

    Fantastic, thank you Corinne. I was feeling dejected after reading so many infuriating mainstream press articles on this, and now your article and the intelligent responses have restored some of my optimism.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Lindy

    The Canberra Press are claiming that they were looking at this from a political point what not like the hysterical view of those that live in the real world, they are even setting up little trios of question and answer “talk fests” to try to justify their disgraceful views. Three cheers for our Prime Minister

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Amanda

    Thank you Julia for speaking up for all women who have ever been put down and dismissed in this misogynistic way, and told to get out if they can’t take it ( I believe the phrase is man up) and thank you Corinne for writing and representing what we are all feeling. I liked you as an acerbic comedienne, but I love you as a writer,you have your finger on the pulse. I thought that I was living in an alternative universe when I looked at what was passing for journalistic reporting in the MSM after the PMs speech! It was in direct contradiction to what I had thought and felt after witnessing Julia Gillards stunning dismissal of Tony Abbot. his comments on the shame of the government were a deliberate, morally disgraceful, unfeeling and premeditated attempt to link his statements to those of Alan Jones and curry favour with him and his audience, no one believes his denials. i know we can rely on the Murdoch press to come out in TA’s corner, but shame on Fairfax and the ABC, who were extremely unbalanced in their reporting. the aggressive hectoring of Tania Plibersek by Emma Alberici on late line after events unfolded was incomprehensible, as well as her failure to recognise the separation of powers, which Tania tried to explain. I’m not sure it is ignorance, it looks like an agenda. Thank god for social media and the international press for showing up local hacks for what they are- increasingly irrelevant.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Marchpig

    Spot on, my friends in the US have labelled our PM as ‘Badass”, quite the compliment.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Linda Robinson

    Read Andrew Bolt’s article today- not sure why I bothered! Am not sure we were in the same country when the PM made her speech. It is an absolute disgrace the personal attacks;the Alan Jones affair and then Tony Abbott sneering away.God help Australian women if he ever gets to be PM!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    moorie

    Christopher Pyne is another mealy mouthed right wing lunatic, who whines when he talks, he makes me want to slap him. I wrote yesterday that I cannot for the life of me understand why the media in Australia are so anti this PM and anti her Labour party, these people all have jobs, they write or talk for a living, don’t they understand that the same people they are standing up for are the same people that will bring them down in a heartbeat if it is financially viable to them. It is about time the media organisations in this country started to report in a fair and equitable way, get the likes of Jones and Hinch of the airwaves and the Peter Hartchers and the Piers Ackermans out of our print media and the likes of the Andrew Bolts off our TV sets. It is time, where are the female journalists and TV presenters in all this, they are just hiding behind their male counterparts, ie Mel (whatever her name is) on Sunrise. Please play fair!!!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Pru Pearson

    Thanks Corrine. You bloody beauty!!! Corrine for parliament. We need more grounded in truth argument. Yes to the female perspective. If only all those blokes in” the old boys club” could drop their male perspective and put on their humanitarian glasses we could get balanced representation in the media and in Parliament for all humans

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    MazT

    Hear! Hear! to all, and another “thank you”. I saw it all unfold, so JG’s speech in context to the whole day. I was staggered at Hartcher’s “analysis” (give me a break!!), incredibly disappointed at the female journo’s responses thereafter – what an amazing opportunity they missed. Alberici?? I’m impressed an obviously exhausted Plebiseck didn’t tell her where to go. Crabb?? Puts me off watching her cook with pollies …
    Then yesterday some MSM journo dismissing the online response as being a small specific type of group. (laughing at that one …sad ba……d)
    I lamented the news about print media, being one who used to love reading Sunday’s Age over a coffee, digesting thoughtful analysis and expansion of the sound byte news stories. Am also “the older generation” who are supposedly incapable of understanding or using “the new technology” (don’t disagree entirely there). As of Tuesday I now think we have finally seen the downfall of MSM and power has fully, finally, come to the people. They’ve killed themselves off.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Ed

    I know lots of successful women in executive positions. Not one of them thought Julia’s Gillard’s explosion was anything less then utterly pathetic.
    If you want to be successful, male or female, concentrate on doing your job really well.
    She is not. The ‘gender debate’ is a smokescreen pile of rubbish

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      Maggie Rogers

      Ed, who are these women? Name them! Gillard has put up with stuff for years. She finally broke her silence when Abbott needled her with the phrase ‘died of shame. If you really know women executives who objected, perhaps it is because the women of 20 years ago fought the fight. Until I watched Q&A the other night, I thought that kind of behaviour had died in the eighties. Tony Abbott admired Julia Gillard until she won the negotiation after the last election. he is even on record as saying she would make a good Prime Minister. Of course that was when she was Deputy. A misogynist does not have to hate all women all of the time. Abbott demonstrates that a man can hate a woman if she challenges him or even more if she defeats him. Reportedly, Gillard and Abbott shared a flirtatious relationship until she became leader.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Val Schier

    Thank you Corinne and all the readers above who’ve appreciated your insightful response to the PM’s strong, assertive speech. As the former Mayor of Cairns – and first woman in the job – I also was subjected for 4 years to hateful commentary on the local shock jock radio station, which included a reference to female councillors being “bitches and witches.”

    Julia Gillard has demonstrated time and time again that she is happy to cop criticism and comments on policy and performance matters and it’s misleading for Liberal MPs to be wheeled out today to say she can’t take it. She’s shown clearly that she is not prepared any longer to let nasty, vindictive, thoughtless, personal comments be directed at her without them being challenged. Good on her I say. She’s right; it’s not good enough.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Roz

    Great Corinne, well said and such a disappointment to have to swallow what the main stream media is passing for analysis.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    owlchimes

    Can I veer sideways for a moment and suggest that we get rid of the word”guys” unless it actually refers to a male. I’m fed up with this notion that ‘guys’ is simply a generic term and, of course, it includes women and girls!! Right..So let’s change ‘guys’ to, say, “ladies”, and see what happens. It might sound like a small matter but it helps contribute to a male centric mentality and male sense of entitlement. I hope none of you ladies EVER use ‘guy’ when talking about women…do you???

    • Reply October 12, 2012

      anne louise

      Owlchimes, I am my own woman. No one EVER tells me what to say.

      • Reply October 13, 2012

        anne louise

        Oh, ok… maybe if I was being tortured…

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Joni

    Gillard famously started
    a relationship with fellow Labor MP Craig Emerson whilst he was still
    married with three children. How is that feminist and kind to women??? Yet nobody has said a word….
    Can we imagine
    that Tony Abbott would receive such soft treatment if he started an affair
    with a married woman?

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Katie

    I agree owlchimes. The generic term “guys” applied to us all has always made me uncomfortable – as if we need upgrading to honorary males. Not sure about “ladies” though.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Narelle

    Well said Corinne, all the facts as they are, nothing more, nothing less.
    So proud of our PM, the lady rocks!
    Vive la femme revolution!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Em

    Totally agree!!! Slippers comments aren’t sexist at all. I felt like finally gillard let them have it!!! I could not believe my ears on harchers take on her speech. It just shows that They Just Don’t Get It.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Terri

    MSM is dead, long live social media which is real, not run by the boys clubs, nor funded by those with hidden agendas. Democracy and freedom a speech as it should be.
    Thank you Corrine for articulating so well, what we are all thinking and feeling.
    I have written to my local govt member asking for his position on the continued sexist behaviour our PM is subjected to.. No answer, not surprising. My next letter is to the ABC re Q&A.. (By letter, I mean email of course..)

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Di

    Corrine Grant, you rock! Yet again women speak out and men shut them down – or try to shut them down. The incident on Q&A was a disgrace. While I write of ‘disgrace’ I would also like to point out an article in the SMH ‘Good Living; on Tues. where Terry Durack was reviewing a new restaurant in the Argyle Centre at The Rocks (Sydney) He started the article by letting the reader know that the men’s urinals are in the shape of women’s mouths. It would have been great – and appropriate – if Mr. Durack had ended his review right there by stating that he found this to be so offensive that he left the restaurant. But alas, no. How, in anyone’s realm of reality, can urinating into a woman’s mouth be acceptable? A banning of this restaurant by all thinking Sydneysiders could only be a good thing.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Lizabelle

    @Joni: Gillard is a fallible human being, not a paragon. Have you always acted in a completely feminist manner throughout your life, I wonder?

    Corinne, fabulous article – thank you.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Bob

    Brilliant article Corinne, love your writing

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Laura Norda

    Fantastic article! I totally agree with you re: Slipper’s text messages, I trawled through them today (big yawn) and I struggled to be offended by the content.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Ella

    Just like the Talliban, the Australian “Boys Club”: has no problem with women, as long as they stay in their place – subservient.

    Maddness to reproach a Prime Minister for having a voice and not being what (some weak men) want women to be –
    wives, mothers (but not single) and admin/support staff.

    I know that there are strong, adult men out there – please can we hear from them – instead the bully boys who hide behind their wives skirts when theyre confronted/frightened by strong women.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Carole

    @ Joni.
    Abbott, the devout catholic who tells girls that they should remain virgins until marriage,
    did not apply that to himself & was sleeping around himself at university.
    No doubt we’ve all done things we may someday regret .
    None of us are perfect.

    • Reply October 11, 2012

      Ella

      Carole, thank you for pointing out what a hypocrite Abbott is -who preaches “Do As I Say – Not As I Do” and holds others to a higher standard than himself.

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Leesa

    well written Corinne..as usual. You know to simplify it all…how sad that, in 2012 we are still being judged by our gentials rather than by our abilities!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    RobynMarie

    Thank you Corrine for such great insight. Perhaps our dear leader should employ you!

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    Amanda

    @Ed, I’m a successful woman in an executive position and I thought Gillard was brilliant as do many of my female ( and male) peers

  • Reply October 11, 2012

    DEe

    Like Narelle I too am proud of our PM. She has more courage stamina and toughness than any PM in living memory. Truly admirable.

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Geoff

    OK, there’s a pretty strong consensus here of: Gillard’s cool and Abbott sucks. On a purely practical note, you’ll need a strategy for changing media culture. Since everyone agrees on the problem, it’s time for concrete ideas of how to improve things. Or we can wallow in righteousness, and decry injustice until somebody else fixes it for us.

    • Reply October 12, 2012

      Ella

      Good point Geoff, but as we saw on Q&A men dont appear to like to listen to women.

      So what do you suggest we do to be heard, instead of complaining about it?

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Cat

    Thank you Corinne. This is the first time I have come to this site, And this is one of the most intelligent pieces of writing I have come across about this series of events. I get so frustrated at the way feminism is watered down and simplified in the public arena. The fact that so many are up in arms about the use of the word ‘misogynist’ to describe Tony Abbott indicates, sadly, a significant lack of understanding about why this actually means and looks like.

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Joni

    Funny how any thing Abbott has done is a major transgression and anything Gillard has done is a mistake!!!
    If none of us is perfect, why are we holding some people up to higher standards than others??

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Carole

    @Geoff
    Your absolutely right.
    Got any ideas.

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Mez

    Haha! The Hoopla, the last bastion of defense between Gillard and oblivion. The lone voice crying in the wilderness.

    The only thing I’d change about Ms Gillard’s contrived tirade? I’d have her sing it. Then it would all be over.

    • Reply October 13, 2012

      Tony W

      @Trish, good on you for putting principles before party loyalty. Personally I can’t fathom how any woman could vote Liberal at the moment. Even as a rusted on Labor man I’d desert them in flash if they put up a leader with Abbott’s views on women.

      I agree with you about Q&A, it was pathetic to see the boys gang up on the girl, esp Tanner and that yapping poodle Pyne. Normally Jones runs a pretty tight ship but this time he let them carry on for ages. Struck me as quite strange at the time, almost deliberate on his part.

    • Reply October 13, 2012

      Tony W

      @Mez
      Don’t get too excited yet, there’s a long way to go from here. Gillard’s a stayer and your bloke’s running out of ideas. Pretty sad when you have to get your missus to do your fighting for you.

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    JoanneH

    Thanks to the ‘joke’ at the CFMEU’s annual conference dinner, the MSM are now back on track saying Labor has stuffed-up ,and even though there is no comparison with the Alan Jones episode, it is getting top-billing on ABC24 this morning with Wayne Swan earning their ‘biggest hypocrite’ title.
    Now they are telling us that Tony is not a misogynist, and Julia went too far with that attack – to cover the Government’s failures. Unfortunately, they still see him as good PM material.

    I wish a journalist would ask about his time at Oxford (in his mid-twenties) when he was at a Post Rugby Match Ball and told Prince Andrew that Prince Charles, who had just visited Australia, was “about as much use as Linda Lovelace with her mouth closed”. He was promptly shown the door by Security. I wonder what the Monarchists he champions thought of that. They managed make a fuss about Julia’s non-curtsey recently.

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Trish

    Its about time Tony Abbott was was put in his place , sadly most traditional mainstream media commentary have bought into the male domination & marginalization of women & cannot think beyond hegemonic masculinity. Mainstream media gives oxygen to hate & disrespect & does not value achievements like that of the current govt . Watching Q&A monday i was l disgusted by Pyne & Tanners absolute disrespect when Ellis was speaking. As a former liberal supporter I can say that I would not vote for a Govt with Abbott or Pyne at the lead & Tanner is as bad as Abbott on his dummy spit — more stupid boys ruining things because they didn’t win or get their way !

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    will

    Slippers comments are not OK, he should have been sacked yet Julia had the power but voted for the numbers instead, she is just another politician, nothing more nothing less, I can not believe you can not see this as anything other than rank hypocrisy[ she is not alone in the house].

    • Reply October 13, 2012

      Tony W

      @will,
      Get off the grass Will, if every politician who has ever cracked a lame genitalia joke in private were to be sacked, there’d be no one left in the House! That includes any women who have ever told a penis joke in their life. Remember we can’t be sexist in these matters!

      So you’re right, the whole thing was hypocritical, it was all about the numbers. Abbott was trying to reduce the govt’s majority, to block legislation and improve his prospects of forcing an early election. Remember Wilkie is no longer bound by any agreements to support Labor:

      “ANDREW Wilkie has warned Labor will pay a high price for its pokies reform betrayal, vowing to pursue “warmer” relations with the Coalition, to vote against key budget measures and even to bring down the government if it acts improperly.”

      Julia tore up the agreement with Wilkie when Labor recruited Slipper as Speaker, and poor old Harry Jenkins had to resign. Once again – all about the numbers. Then Libs helped Slipper’s staffer mount lawsuits against him, which forced him to step aside for Anna Burke pending court decision. Once again – all about the numbers.

      That’s what happens in a hung Parliament. It’s a high stakes game, so anything goes. That’s why Abbott was prepared to set a 112 year precedent, in using Parliament as a kangaroo court to sack the Speaker. Now he’s even approached Craig Thompson for his “tainted” vote, which he swore black and blue he’d never accept. Oh, sorry, that was a clerical error. Yeah right.

      Yes, it’s rank hypocrisy as you say Will, from everyone in the House. But when the survival of the govt is at stake, hypocrisy is a small price to pay. Welcome to politics!

      Of course, in addition to these hypocritical powerplays over the Speakership, there’s another game in play here, namely the Abbott vs Gillard slugfest during question time. Julia won this week’s bout spectacularly, so much so that it echoed around the world. That 15 minutes of footage is pure gold, and no amount of biased reporting can tarnish it. Whether it’s worth any votes remains to be seen, but it sure trumps Margie’s speech last week!

      • Reply October 20, 2012

        kenf

        Spot on @tony. I’m a 66 year old who reads blogs and knows how to tweet. Where are the older men in this discussion? Forget politics for a moment, women from all over the world who probably dont know or care about the australian political scene, obviously related to what the pm said in her speech. Come on you men of experience and hopefully wisdom, say your piece. If you dont agree with the misogyny argument, at least “man up” and have your say.
        Personally, I thought the speech was magnificent!

  • Reply October 12, 2012

    Silky

    Loved your article, Corinne. Our media is so biased against women in positions of power – bullies from all political persuasions too. Let us not forget Julia’s fantastic speech – should be compulsory viewing in anti-bullying workshops too…. Needs replaying at election time.
    Note to self : “I have a vagina and I vote”.

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