Agree passionately with Wendy & others comments above. Why should people working unsociable hours have to subsidise the services of people who don't & get to enjoy time off then.
If the business model has to open weekends or nights to be viable - they should build their staffing/budgeting/pricing around that. Offset it on other day(s). Otherwise close. (Essential emergency services excepted.)
Many people who work in the service sectors are the lowest paid workers anyway. They are being targeted because they are vulnerable, easy targets often casualized workforce - who cannot individually or collectively bargain.
A quick glance at Fair Work Australia website shows -
The National Minimum Wage Order 2013 [PR537976]
National minimum wage—of $622.20 per week, calculated on the basis of a week of 38 ordinary hours, or $16.37 per hour.
Casual loading—of 24 per cent.
There are different agreements for different types of retail employee agreements, some individual workplace agreements & also a General Retail Industry Award 2010. (For 38 hour weeks)
Their basic wage -
The General Retail Industry Award - $683.40 ($17.98)
The Coles Supermarkets Australia Pty. Ltd. Retail Award 2002 - $556.20
National Fast Food Retail Award 2000 - $543.40
(Not sure if the other agreements have been adjusted for CPI, etc or if that is reflected in those amounts.
In most states they can be reduced by % for under 20 year olds.)
Aged Care Award 2010 - $626.60
For comparison - Newstart
single, no children $501.00 fortnight ($259.59 wk) - janes
The reason why ordinary people employed by others support a proposal where they end up being paid less is because they're stupid.
The same reason they voted for the mad monk, sloppy joe and co., stupid is as stupid does, and the rest of us suffer the consequences. - Ella
I don't think I am up to bringing down a tyrant Rhoda. I get too tired and lack concentration. Certainly not today.
I just think a lot of things are beyond the control of any national govt these days. - Dianne
Well in fact they do, Dianne. We have two major political parties. Two leaders of integrity only are required.
And also there's the fact that ordinary men and women have brought down many a tyrant and czar. For every step back there's been two forward. We're a long way from Alexander the Great and the Holy Roman Empire. - RhodaD
I don't think the issue of penalty rates is at all complex. On the contrary, it's very very simple. As is the issue of annual leave loading.
If I agree to employ you MicheleS on a permanent basis for an annual salary of $50,000.00 then the leave loading is built into that annual salary package, along with such things as superannuation. When you say leave loading should be abolished, will your salary package be less than the price we have agreed upon, or will you get 17.5% more distributed fortnightly throughout your annual salary? On your logic, I have to assume you'd be happier with a lower salary package.
Would somebody please explain to me why ordinary people employed by others support a proposal where they end up being paid less? - Sandy
First of all. I'm not sure what you and Sue both being women has to do with anything Wendy. I'm a guy, and as a guy I often enjoy sharing my views with other guys during our conversations as well. So I don't see why you felt it was necessary to make that specific point ?
I'm also self employed and I often wish I didn't have to work weekends (I often do), but I would never dream of complaining about it to my customers. I just firmly believe in maintaining a degree of professionalism in customer communication (no matter what your job is). Nothing at all wrong with having a friendly chat (I do that too) but I draw that line at complaining and saying "It never bloody stops. Ever. I’m so exhausted . . . . "
So running your own 24/7 business would you be happy if you over heard a staff member on the phone to a customer / client saying "Oh I'm just exhausted. It never stops. I wish I didn't have to work Sundays"
And for the record, I don't employ anyone outside of 'normal' hours so I don't have an agenda about penalty rates. Nor do I see people who 'serve' as being nothing more than 'economic units to be utilised'. I am one of those people who serve, so I look at them no different to myself. So yeah Wendy. It's the same world you live in. - Nick
Here in WA, we had a referendum about whether we should have evening (other than Thursday-night) and Sunday trading (small businesses with fewer than ten employees were already able to open any hours). The electorate rejected it - but the new Coalition government foisted it on us anyway! I wonder how much they received in donations from the large retailers?
When will childcare be open 24/7 so that the workers have someone to care for their kids?
I refuse to shop on Sundays and evenings - but then I can afford to shop during "normal" hours. - MWS
Alas Rhoda - I think we are controlled by powerful interests. I think governments don't have the control they like us to think they have either. - Dianne
MicheleS - interesting you say that. I understand what you are saying but I wonder if we will end up on a slippery slope if workers' conditions are abandoned or considerably modified.
Only this morning I heard a discussion on Radio National about the US being a country where nobody goes on holidays anymore.
Apparently they do not have paid leave enshrined in law with the result that people cannot afford to take a holiday. The longest break in the US is one week it seems.
Another reason why people do not go on holidays is fear that they will lose their job.
The result is a stressed workforce.
It seems that more and more our only reason to exist is to work and consume. A bit Stalinist really. - Dianne
The abolition of penalty rates is complex and I think it will probably be impossible to reach consensus on it.
I do, however, believe that Annual Leave Loading should be abolished.
In the 21st century, is there any plausible reason why an employee is paid more when they don't work than they are paid when they do? - MicheleS
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