• Miranda that's a sensational idea. I've put my full name up this time and can be found on Facebook. I'm also happy to put my email address. Just like Concerned, I used to think that life would be so much easier if my son had a physical disability as well. Not in any way to discredit how hard it is to look after anyone, let alone a child in that situation, but because it just seemed it would be easier. I begged for valium at one point for my son, just a small dose to calm him down and regain some control but it seemed that it was easier for doctors to say no to that rather than give some form of relief to the child and the rest of the family. He was on anti-psychotics for a while but they didn't help because he is not psychotic. Rhoda you're idea about parenting resources is a good one, but only for ADD and ADHD. Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Conduct Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder (which is what they call ODD when they turn eighteen), are totally different animals. These children have a neurological problem within the brain where the signals just don't get through or are totally blocked to different parts of the brain. These children are born this way, they don't grow into it though in some circumstances of parenting or familial problems can make it worse. Because of the anger, violence and abuse issues there is no form of respite either because the risk of someone else being hurt is too high and no agency will risk it. If anyone does want to make contact, here's my email: t_forbes64@hotmail.com I'll check out Facebook....perhaps a support and resource page might be of help too. Just knowing there are others going through the same thing and you won't be ridiculed for what you say and you will be believed can be a help. - Tracey Forbes
  • What relentlessly distressing stories some of the respondents have to tell. Their problems don't sound like they're caused by lack of diagnosis or increased rates of prescription - rather show need for more community support, better training of social workers, police, journos etc. Just wonder how much contact Concerned and others have with parents in similar situations - and if there's some of way of putting you all in touch with each other - if you're interested? - miranda
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  • It's OK Sue Bell , John Jay has obviously been " away " again . He craves attention , so if we just ignore him he will no doubt wander back to his " right wing hate sights " like Bolt & Ackerman et al. Meanwhile John Jay , suggest nice cuppa and a lay down . - Carole/m
  • Sly Place has just about said it all on Rudd's narcissism. I'd only add that he can't pretend to be naive about the effect his outbursts have had on Labor. And if it was a former staffer who changed Rudd's mind on gay marriage, pity he didn't listen when the bloke was actually employed in his office. - miranda
  • Does Australia have parent training resources? I've read that parent training is helpful in managing the behaviour. - Rhoda
  • Woah Sally, this article is intended as a catalyst for discussion, not a comprehensive analysis. I think that in a short space Lucy has raised several elements of an extremely complex debate. I've worked as a high school teacher and I've noticed many cases where a teenager " becomes" their diagnosis and uses it as a shield that prohibits self reflection and responsibility for ones own behaviour. A la " I've been diagnosed with ADHD I can skip work/ play up/ leave the room whenever like. Rently I confronted an aquaintance who thought it totally fine to repeat personal information she'd been told in confidence. Her reasoning " I've got ADHD you know" Likewise the wife of a friend who errupts in ferociously violent and abusive rages... people's reaction to her behaviour sometimes goes along the lines of " maybe she's bypolar" How about the " depressed" man who kills a random stranger? Or the " depressed" footballer or politician acting like rascals? Sure, genuine mental illness is out there and it should be taken very seriously, medicated where this can improve immediate functioning. But there's a growing trend to label what s simply obnoxious intolerable bahaviour as a " mental illness" . - melissa
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  • I love your rules,especially the one....treat others like you wish to be treated. That was big in our home as I was growing up and it is just as big in my home now. Along with everyday random acts of kindness....if we always live by these two rules then we can be sure to find a real inner happiness.x. - Debyl1
 
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BACK WHEN JIMMY KNEW THE ODDS

It’s September and the footy finals are on, but I won’t be having a bet.

That’s because I reckon the way betting is heading in this country is almost criminal. And I should know, because my Dad was a criminal.

My grandfather was a horse trainer and my father, James Bernard Donohoe, broke the law regularly – pretty much every Saturday – by ringing his SP bookmaker at Randwick. Off-course betting was illegal back in those days.

Not that Dad took any notice. He rang a bloke who knew a bloke with a bag at the track and that’s where the deal went down.

My old man loved the punt, but he was never an addict. When he was “rollin’ in it” he’d bet big. When he was less than flush, he’d put a couple of bucks on.

 

Melbourne Cup day, 1960.

 

He always went to the races fully booted and spurred, freshly shaven, Windsor knot resplendent. 

He’d park the Valiant hardtop in the AJC committee members’ parking spots (“take the secretary spot, Jimmy. He’s overseas”). And there it would be, the Flash Harry vehicle, in between the Bentleys and Rollers and bringing down the tone of the whole establishment.

It wasn’t because Dad was “important” that he bagged the coveted spot, but because he was “connected”. You see, my father knew everyone at Randwick and truly liked most of them…or at least he was charitable enough see their best side.

Dad loved racing. Everything about it. The horses, sure, but they were almost a sideshow to the main game. It was the people he loved – from the parking blokes to the toffs in the members and everyone in betweeen. He, in turn, was well regarded by them.

The track – the sights, the sounds, friendship, drama and conviviality – was the conversation of his life. He had a deep and abiding passion for my family’s heritage and those in the industry.

When my Dad gambled, it was a cultural pursuit. Which is the opposite to what we have today with online betting.

No longer do you get decked out to go to the track or put on your club colours to get to the footy game. No friendship, no conversation, no connection with the wider world. You have the privacy of your smartphone, no socialising required…for God’s sake even the pokies at least require that you have a shower, comb your hair and get dressed! (And as for that TV ad showing the guys being longingly eyed over by gorgeous girls? Well not at my pub!)

 

Instead, in this brave new world of gambling, you sit at home, alone, and calculate the numbers. To me, that’s the true hideousness of the modern “bet”.

And (even more insidious) what ability do you have to make an educated punt? At least when you’re at the track you can see and touch  horesflesh, talk to a trainer. Same at the footy ground when you get the sniff of liniment from the stand and know which player is pulling up lame, no matter what the coach says.

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12 Responses to this article

  1. Twiggy September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Great article. My Dad was the same. Loved the ponies, loved the races. He frequented Rosehill. He would study the form guide on a Friday night and analyse the bejesus out of every page. If he wasn’t at the races, he was sitting at the kitchen table with his little transistor radio held tightly to his ear. Woe betide you if you made a peep during a race. The hand would fly up and he would roar ‘shush!!!!’. It wasn’t an ideal childhood and not the greatest of examples of fatherhood but hey, there was always food on the table and clothes on our back. $1 each way was a typical bet and if he had a win we would head off to the local Chinese to have a slap up meal with the money.
    Today is seems like the bastards have taken away the sport, the fun in an effort to just drain people’s pockets more efficiently. It makes me sick to see footy commentators flogging betting websites on tv. No shame.

     
  2. MICK September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Great Brendan. Love it. What has happened when things that begin as ways for people to live, enjoy one anothers’ company, engage in ways to turn a dollar and thrive have become ways that are driven by the opportunity for governments to exonerate themselves from providing services from revenues earnt from real productivity. Sport is always and everywhere a social event. Of course, now and always, there are ways to make a bit on the side without the Tax Man seeing. So what? But today it’s been corporatised and the social element has been killed. Going to the races today is a collector’s item. It’s about the solitary tragedy followed by the government share. But it can’t last because without a feel for the experience, the passion will die. it will focus elsewhere and sure as the sun rises, the tax man will be there to collect, unaware of what damage his previous visit has done.

     
  3. Aeron Winters September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I agree with everything you have said Brendan. Melbourne cup aside (because I live too far away to attend, but I do watch on telly) I never bet except on the rare occasion when to go to the races. We only ever make minimum bets, but it’s the whole atmosphere of being there, all dolled up complete with fascinator in the hair, watching the horses and cheering them on to victory that makes it worth doing. I hate all the commercials that we are inundated with while watching the footy now (go the bunnies!) and can only imagine the damage it is doing to those who have an addiction. It just makes it all too easy for them feed that addiction.

     
  4. Kerry C September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    You hit the nail on the head Brendan. I remember every saturday, my Dad would take me to the “Harbord Hilton” to see his mate the bookie to put a couple of “bob” on. I was bribed with numerous pink lemonades and a jam roll not to tell Mum that we actually had NOT been for a long walk.

    I think it’s an absolute disgrace that the betting scores now come up on the screen while games are in progress.

     
  5. Ro. Watson September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I love that pic of the girls all out on Melbourne Cup Day…

     
  6. Paul September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Wow, what a completely one sided article.

    Firstly, the big legitimate online bookies pay license fees to the NRL, AFL, racing bodies, you name it. It can be a percentage of turnover, a percent of profits, or a combination of both. For the biggest bookies this adds up to millions of dollars a year. Yet there is nothing to stop an Aus punter betting with an overseas agency, who in return will contribute nothing back to the sporting codes they bet on, nor pays any tax to the Australian government. Australian bookmakers do both.

    Familes have gone broke, marriages have broken up and kids gone without at Christmas long before online gambling came around – to suggest this will happen moreso this year than ever before because of online gambling is, to use racing parlance – “blinkered”. I’m yet to read a story about a punter who had one too many bets so came home and belted his family.

    And to suggest playing pokies is morally better than online gambling because you have to look and smell good to do it, well I don’t even know where to start with that. People can do and win long run with online gambliing. I’ve never heard of a professional poker machine player.

    But hey, who am I to stand in the face of hating the game, and not the player. Far be it for anyone to take responsibility for their own actions, ever.

     
  7. sue bell September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    my grandfather was a SP Bookie. He taught me the punter never wins.

     
  8. willburforce29 September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Well, all betting companies are money vampires! and we keep feeding them, more’s the pity:(

     
  9. RobynMarie September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Great article, and I love that add on telly you’re talking about. No woman in her right mind would be looking at those men like that. They are more likely to be thinking a) Gamblers! Stay right away from that or b) get a drink off them quick cos that cash is going to be gone as soon as. How can anyone actually watch the game with all those updates and I particularly hate the commentaters giving the odds. I always think of the problem gambler and how it must affect them, every couple of minutes the temptation is back, calling them.

     
  10. Benison O'Reilly September 20, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Loathed those Robbie Waterhouse ads that kept cropping up during the Olympics. I kept hoping he’d somehow be trampled by the horses! Sorry, but Waterhouse and his cronies are parasites. Nothing good about online gambling whatsoever. I won’t even but lottery tickets.

     
  11. Mark D September 21, 2012 Reply
     
     

    That’s not OUR dad you were talking about, was it Brendo. The old man never broke the law. The cops were at the bar with him, dropping a few quid on the ponies with his bookie, taking a return whether they won or lost. Can’t get more legal than police-endorsed.
    Nice story, bro. So true.

     

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