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MOVING FORWARD. PLEASE CAN WE?

Abbott doesn’t have to do a thing. The Opposition will be laughing all the way to September 14. All they have to do is sit back and watch Labor implode.

That was last week.

Yes, it was a political car crash – ugly to see, but impossible to look away – and yes, it was a gift for Tony Abbott’s Opposition. It will take some time for the ALP to recover from the trauma.

But now a new cabinet has emerged from the wreckage, it’s time for the Opposition to stop watching from the sidelines and start explaining, in detail, how they would ...

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104 Comments

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Janet G

    I would like them to sell the great policies that they have implemented. I would also like them to show the deluded Abbott followers that he will only govern for the wealthy minority. Abbott is the Tea Party candidate in Australia. If your child goes to public school or if your mum or dad is a pensioner, if you are one of the low-paid or need access to health care, the Coalition does NOT have a plan for you. They have a plan for Gina Rinehart, and that’s about it!

    • Reply March 25, 2013

      Jack Richards

      I have a plan for Gina Rinehart as well. It involves her, a shovel, a wheelbarrow and a really big hole in the ground.

      • Reply March 26, 2013

        Janet G

        I wish there was a like button here, Jack :)

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      windpower

      Thanks Janet . My thoughts exactly.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    David

    Labor’s biggest problem is going to be the more covert bias in some of the media. Overt can be confronted, covert not so easily.
    I found it cute that there was a page 1 critique of Julia spending time with Kyle S. after her well justified attack on misogyny. Surely if such criticism was valid it would have been more relevant when she shared a stage with Abbott last week? Or several previous occasions.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Roxane

    The only hope the Labor Party have of getting their message out is through social media. The MSM have been well and truly captured by vested interests who want to install the Coalition at the next election. We can only guess what those interests have been promised as a return on their investment.
    A grass roots campaign has been started called vote4 juila if anyone is interested :)

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      Angrybudgie

      I agree that social media is probably our best bet, but sticking our necks out there can be dangerous. How do do we put the message out and stay away from the nutters. Also where do I find “Vote 4 Julia”??? I also think tha women are where we need to aim any campaign (yes I know men can see what is going to happen) but women visit different social media sites and they are usually more polite in discussion & open to change (well not all) than male dominated sites. I really want to get back into political activism, but am unsure how to go about it safely… I’m not 20 and bullet proof any more. :)

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      windpower

      Where do you find it. I am not on twitter, only FB and LinkedIn

    • Reply March 29, 2013

      Heather

      Roxanne, The Labor Party has started a social media campaign through: laborconnect@australianlabor.com.au

      I have just donated some money towards getting their message out.
      I urge others to also do the same.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Margie B

    I’d like for the people who are planning to vote Lib/NP on September 14 to properly read their policy document which is available on their website. I did, and it made my hair curl. And I’m also perplexed by the number of quotes from Mr Abbott dated 1994. There are ooodles of them. And then there are the statements in inverted commas which are attributed to nobody. I presume this form of punctuation is either irony or a get-out clause.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Jack Richards

    Does anyone seriously think this issue is “done and dusted”? So long as Rudd remains in Parliament, it will never go away. Rudd will never get over “The Coup” and will continue to leak like a sieve to the Murdoch Press and the opposition. He’ll keep calling press conferences, keep his face in front of the cameras, and keep promoting himself.

    Rudd is not interested in a Labor victory in September; he is interested in seeing Julia get what’s coming to her. Can you imagine his self-righteous vindication, his orgasmic schadenfreude, when the ALP suffers its worst ever defeat in a few months time?

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Joanne

    While we are changing the front bench, how about making a few policy platform changes, like same sex marriage equality, ending fossil fuel subsidies, upping the mineral resources tax, a humanly decent refugee asylum policy, abandon middle class welfare…that’ll do for now.
    Janet G – I agree. Start selling the product, quit reacting to the crapola

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      windpower

      Thanks Joanne. I t seems that we all need to get REALLY vocal about our support and belief in what Julia is doing. Otherwise we are going to be landed with Tony and Christopher and who would want to live here if that happens?? Lets get vocal everyone! Every time you see or hear Julia bashing then you must stand up to whoever is doing it . The facts and figures are on our side! The media is not.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    David

    Kudos Joanne. I don’t think the policies you nominate are as ‘brave’, let alone ‘crazy brave’ as the media and other mouthpieces would like us all to think. The ALP could be pleasantly surprised.

    Yes but are you willing to do that for $2 a day Jack Richards?

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Amanda

    I agree Janet G. Sell, sell, sell.

    They probably need to revisit the policy to move sole parents to newstart – they lost a lot of votes there. More importantly, they implemented a policy that went against the ALP pledge made by Hawke that no child will live in poverty.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Linda Robinson

    What annoys me is hearing Abbott rabbitting on about what he’ll do WHEN he’s prime minister. I would like to see him land head first into a moist cow pat before then! The mainstream media will not print anything good about the government as they have their hand’s in Abbott’s pockets.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Nel Matheson

    Okay, MSM are totally opposed to our Labor Government. The only people they will influence are those who are not willing to really look at Lib/Nat policies. Social Media is also strong, and it seems that there is more independent thought through this medium. I do hope that Labor can remain united and focussed over the next few months, sell their policies and achievements effectively, because from my point of view, the alternative is unthinkable.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    carole/m

    Does anyone really think the MSM is going to change their way of operating.
    I reckon they have phony scandals lined up all the way to the election.
    I agree with Amanda , newstart & single parent
    payments need to increase & a promise re same sex marriage .
    They do need to find a way to get their message out over social media , very important , I can’t see the MSM allowing them to get their message out through print media or TV News .
    My monies on Julia Gillard , I think It’s a shame she didn’t clear the decks earlier , seems to me she’s the best leader, full stop.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    carole/m

    They need to drive home the true story of the economy, relentlessly.
    Can’t comprehend how anyone can vote out a government that’s done so well with the economy.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Rhoda

    I really really hope our PM can dig Labor out of this ditch.

    I despair at the thought of Australia turning hard right as Europe and the US are doing. It’s time to make ordinary people aware of what it might mean to them. Doesn’t take much to start a fire when there are matches being lit all over the place.

    This is exactly why moving single parents onto newstart was a bad move. The allowance needs to be increased ASAP. It is completely inequitable. As the gap between rich and poor gets wider and children grow up in poverty the potential for trouble and the cost to society is greater. It weakens the foundations on which our society rests.

  • Reply March 25, 2013

    Bella

    For those interested, the article outlines legislation that was put forward last week but was not mentioned in the MSM and was overtaken by the leadership spill. .

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/newspaper-venom-and-the-untold-stories/

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    anne louise

    msm will never report in favour of Gillard’s government, that is a given. But I am SO disappointed that the abc, the tax payer funded national broadcaster is getting away with blatant partisan comment, opinion, reporting, journalism. There is not one bit of the abc which has not become infiltrated with right leaning influence.
    Social Media will get the message across to those of us who care enough to go looking.
    I reckon that the abc should be soundly criticized for it’s failure to report in an unbiased and balanced way, publicly. And funding withdrawn if it doesn’t pull it’s head in.
    Either that or privatize it now – if Abbott gets in it will be. This government might as well get the $$$. They’re the ones who worked for it.
    Would also like to see proper, unbiased, scrutinized and transparent polls published.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    MicheleS

    anne louise – I think you are mistaken about the ABC. You cannot cherry pick offending remarks. You must listen to the whole interview or program etc with ears wide open. The ABC charter states its reporting content must be fair and unbiased which means both sides have to be given time to present its views. I believe the charter standards are being met.
    My beef is with ALL media devoting so much TIME and NEGATIVITY to politics. That prevents a great deal of important news from being being reported. Where is the balance in that? Are we being led by the nose or what!

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    anne louise

    Michele S
    Your opinion and mine – different.
    Who said I was cherry picking?
    PS I am not a 6 year old in primary school, so don’t tell me what I must do.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      Janet G

      I would thnk you are right about the ABC annelouise. there ‘have a say’ does not function as Hoopla’s does, not the Guardian webcite. The ABC seems to do some cherrypicking of its own when it comes to comments from readers and listeners.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      windpower

      I am with MicheleS on this. The ABC are unbiased, and I am a car carrying Green voter! What happens is that the Govt are not always free to give an interview or opinion to the media, but the Opposition are always ready to give a negative comment, and in the absence of any other comment, the ABC will run with whatever media grab they have. I must say that because the media has now got to run 24/7 that they are always looking for the controversial and the headline, instead of complimentary articles on what the Gillard Govt is actually doing, they can always get an attack-dog quote from the mad monk or Christopher “Whyne”

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Lala

    I’d like to see some seriously good policies on domestic violence, especially where it relates to children and the Family Court. Then, perhaps, people like me wouldn’t be ordered to get along and cooperate with their rapist, wouln’t be directly questioned by him for days and worst of all by far, wouldn’t have to hand over their precious children to an abusive man who leaves them terrified.

    Judges and magistrates should have mandatory training about DV to help stop abusers using the courts as a tool to continue abuse. So should MPs. And police.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    janet

    Is it time for some narrowing focus on what that Tony Abbott government might look like? Or will focus stay on the steaming entrails of the leadership spill that wasn’t?
    Clearly that question is intended for the media.
    Considering Abbott’s continual demand for press coverage, he SHOULD be held to account. He wants the spotlight – make him shine, (or as I suspect melt with a little scrutiny). Time for a change by the media, less spin, more fact.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Annie Also

    I know it is lazy; But:
    What Joanne said above. Everything she said. Thanks.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Caroline B

    Right on Janet G & others. Can’t bear the thought of that thug Abbott getting into the lodge & running this country. Rudd & his supporters need to wake up to the fact that Julia is the leader & they need to get behind her, stop the distractions & focus on winning in September, otherwise they’re just handing Tony Australia wrapped in a big blue bow.

    ALP needs to lead with intelligent, progressive policy (as it has for the main part) & sell & explain it. But every time they try, seems to be drowned out by someone else trying to get the last word in on the leadership. Rudd, Crean, Ferguson, Fitzgibbon etc – you’ve already clearly demonstrated that you couldn’t organise a mexican wave at a cricket match so STFU now, throw your weight behind the team now & give us all some clean air.

    MSM needs to call Tony to account, question why he won’t release costed policies or allow himself to be interviewed, question what the social fallout from his regressive world view will be, fact check the outrageous lies peddled by him, the odious Christopher Pyne & others. (I wish, I know it probably won’t happen).

    As for the rest of us, we need to talk about these issues with anyone who’ll listen, raise the awareness in the community & get the fire back into real political engagement rather than the trivial poll-driven/ leadership speculation that most people are bored to death with, which is why Tony & his minders think if he just says as little as possible, we’ll all sleepwalk our way to the next election.

    That would be a great start :)

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Abbott said on ABC News today that
    Labor is bad at government but good at low politics . ( hypocrisy anyone ). In the past , this type of statement has been made by Abbott just before the LNP & Limited News launch into another phony
    scandal / caos scenario.
    I’m waiting with baited breath to see what’s in store .

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    I have a problem with the language used by the ABC .
    How is it reasonable to start their News broadcasts with
    Labor will be wiped out at the next election …….. because the Polls say so.
    I don’t mind them quoting polls but where do they get off constantly stating
    Labor Can’t win statements six months from an election based on polls without also stating ; how many people polled / what were the questions asked / what were the answers that the participants were required to choose from. /. what electoral areas were the polls taken in / how many calls were made to mobiles & if none , why.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Kip

    Please will Kevin Rudd do the “honerable thing!” and RESIGN. Enough of his ego. Our present PM Julia Gillard is a brave, good and fearless leader. She has managed to get some serious policies and new laws in place, that we never hear any praise for, whilst trying to stay on top of a minority Government as well as dealing with bruised egos like poor Kevin’s! Also, would Mr Murdoch please mind his own business and stop his media ‘Kingdom’ from thier biased right wing reporting, so that we can have some clear and truthfull reporting about how well our Prime Minister has done so far. Where are Mr Abbot’s policies by the way? Even Mr Murdoch does not seem to know!!!

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Caroline B

    TOTALLY agree Carole M! Strikes me as odd that I’ve never been contacted by a polling company. – would glady give my opinion if asked. But the questions I’ve seen (in The Australian in particular) are so skewed anyway, it’s more like push-polling than anything & always the most negative/ anti-ALP connotation highlighted in the accompanying reports.

    The ABC needs to get back to balanced reporting – I’ve always loved the ABC but sense a definite feeling of following, not leading, the pack in its political coverage of late. eg Q&A last night, couldn’t believe how Tony Jones kept cutting off ALP’s Brendan O’Connor mid-stream when he was answering questions that had been put to him & letting that annoring Kerry O’Dwyer get in free kick after free kick. Just 1 example.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    angela catterns

    Time for all journos to turn the blowtorch onto the PM-in-waiting & his Coalition. Now.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      Janet G

      Yes, yes, yes, Angela. Let’s give Tony as much oxygen as his large lungs and tiny brain will allow.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Nan

    Why is it that whenever I read anything that Gillard has said, I am immediately reminded of a smarmy schoolgirl trying to impress her teacher with all the big words she is putting into her essay.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Muffy

    Hmmm, how about Julia and co. fix up the mess they have created for sole parent families pushed onto newstart? Didn’t the UN recently state this retrograde policy affecting sole parent families, predominantly headed by marginalised women, is a violation of human rights or does that not interest the middle class demographic of Hoopla and all the Julia Gillard sycophants? After all, who cares about a bunch of powerless women and their kids hey?

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    katie

    I think Labor have to get their message into the MSM because older people rely on it, and they are a big demographic some of whom have to be won over. Pensions perhaps? Have they just been increased? Haven’t read a thing about that in the MSM so far!!

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    anne louise

    Muffy, goes to show just how far reaching biased media is. Those changes took place in 2006 under Howard’s government.
    Julia Gillard’s government backdated it.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      Muffy

      Anna Louise, So why didn’t Labor undo the damage instead of further penalising more sole parents? Why not increase Newstart? Why not index all payments the same?
      Labor’s own Human rights committee was against pushing sole parents onto newstart. Why create a committee when you won’t listen to it? When Howard implemented the policy the Labor government at the time was against it. How about we keep both parties accountable?

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Tha arrogant assumption that all older people do not participate in social media is just that ,
    presumptuous.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Caroline B
    That’s the way it goes on Q&A now , Tony Jones shows that sort of bias every week , I no longer watch.
    You might also have noticed that the audience is always predominantly LNP , usually figures like
    44 or 46% LNP , 33 or 34% Labor the rest Greens & others.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    anne louise

    Would be guessing, Muffy, but would think that expense would come into it.
    Gillard’s government did index all the payments the same. That’s what it did when it back dated the legislation.
    Worth noting, Howard’s government also made it easier for the main bread winning parent (usually the father) to reduce the amount of child support payed to the main caring parent (most often the mother).
    I’m all for keeping both parties accountable.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Nan ,
    Maybe you could give us your idea of
    a big word . Maybe the problem is yours.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    muffy

    Maybe I’m more cynical than you Anna Louise, I think it was a blatant cash grab at the time to gain a surplus by taking food out of the mouths of children and their parents simply because these families have no voice, no power and are vilified in society so the assumption being no one would notice, no one would care!

    I do think more needs to be done about retrieving the millions in child support.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Rachel

    How extremely disappointing. I came on this site to read some reasoned comments about our politics, and all I get is an Abbott Hate Club. Talk about putting women back a few decades. Is that what women of today have become? If Laobr was not currently led by a woman, would you still be so sycophantic towards them? Is this a site for ALL women or just those feministic unionists that like to shut down opposing opinions with extreme prejudice, like poor Muffy. By the way, it has been common knowledge, to the inteeligent, that the ABC has always been left-leaning. It’s only a problem to you now because they’re more neutral.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      lou51

      I agree Rachel – I joined this site as I thought it might be good to hear others views on ways woman can get the best out of life.
      Particularly as I was part of the age group of woman in the 1960′s that lobbied for the rights of woman – Education, jobs, equal pay etc, and believe me you “young ones” would be horrified to know that when you got married – you were expected to leave your job!
      We have come so very far in the rights of woman – but it appears to me, that you just want to ALP supporters on this site – not woman who want to band together to make things better.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    anne louise

    and I’m guessing that Howard’s government did it because they realise that they hadn’t sold enough of our gold reserves to make their budget look good.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    cheryl h

    Abbott has managed thus far to avoid scrutiny because his minders know the only way he can look prime ministerial is to control & manipulate the press with media grabs, rather than appearances on Q&A, 7.30 report etc. which will apply the blow torch.
    To expect reasoned debate & decency from the coalition is i believe a bridge too far for they have trashed their own brand for the sake of shameful political opportunism e.g. pine’s involvement in ashby/slipper affair.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    muffy

    Rachael, I’m a tad surprised. While people on the site are talking about bias in the media, they are blind to their own bias here, it’s extraudinary. If the readers were to be honest they would find the PM has done nothing for women besides booster her own career and that of a few privileged women. I’m just not buying what’s been selling.

    Perspective people, the government has pushed through a great amount of policy but it doesn’t mean it’s all been good nor fair.

    I like Q&A, the Government sometimes gets a hard time but that’s because they are determining policies that impact on our lives. I wouldn’t expect anything less. It seems this blog is used more to recruit rather than appreciate a broad opinion.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    ” Talk about putting women back a few decades.
    Is that what women of today have become .”

    You wouldn’t be from Julie Bishops office , would you , Rachel.

    Unlike radio stations & comments sections of newspapers & right wing “hate” sights , this site is not censored .

    The women & men on this site do not need you or anyone else to tell them what to think or how to express themselves .

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Muffy,
    Maybe you’d like to enlighten us all as to the good & bad policy as you see it instead of making vague statements & no facts.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Caroline B

    Yes, extraudinary indeed Muffy how Gillard is boostering her own career. (Sad face).

    Rachel, I’m not sure what a feministic unionist is but yes, I do believe in a fair go for women & working people. Which does put me at odds with Tony Abbott.

    Bring on the reasoned debate & measured, fair scrutiny of policies – that’s what I & most of the people above seem to be saying. We’re sick of the lazy & easily manipulated poll/ leadership stories.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Lenka

    There are a number of reasons I like Julia Gillard, but these are three ways that she has disappointed me ‘as a feminist’:
    - lowering the support payments of single mothers
    - sending women and children (and quite frankly, people) to offshore detention
    - talking misogyny at Abbott whilst overlooking it in Slipper

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      muffy

      Hey Lenka, these are my disappointments with the PM and her party,
      -Ousting a sitting PM without public consultation and then defaming his character regardless of whether he has any or not.
      -Pushing sole parents onto Newstart once youngest turns 8yrs. This to me undermines and undervalues the unpaid “work” and contribution of primary carers, predominantly women. Also restricts access to a higher education for many women.
      -Ignoring her own human rights committee, Labor backbenchers, welfare agencies and constituents who appealed her not to push sole parents onto Newstart
      -Failing to increase the Newstart, Austudy payments and indexing them to the same rate as the pension.
      -The chaotic, shameful and stigmatising treatment of Asylum Seekers.
      -The failure to unify the Labor party and stay true to the core Labor values.
      -Failure to reduce middle class welfare.
      -Failure to assist Australian citizen Julian Assange regardless of what people may think of him personally.
      -Failure to reach a surplus
      -The mining tax debacle, allowing billionaires to pillage this country without giving back their fair share.
      -Blatant populism used to gain public support.

      Acheivements
      -Royal commission into child sex abuse
      -Being a positive role model for young women
      -Challenging the boys club in politics
      -Apology to parents of stolen babies
      - NDIS
      -NBN

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    muffy

    No, Carole/m.
    How about you step out of your safety zone, do your own research and keep an open mind rather than patronise others you disagree with.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Lou 51,
    You continue to make the arrogant assumption that contributors on this site are all young .

    After reading & contributing for some months , I’ve come to the conclusion that many on this site are over 50 & many over 60.

    We can’t know that for sure & why does it matter , I would prefer to have an exchange of opinions with all age groups .

    You can impart your knowledge to the young , but lecturing them in my opinion is not smart , besides your references to wages & conditions & the fact that women had to resign or be sacked when marrying or expecting their first child back in the sixties have actually been canvassed before on this site.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Well Muffy , Just as I thought , Cop Out .

    I have done my research & I don’t agree with your claims , vague as they are.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Rachel

    carole/m, trolls thrive on posting vitriolic comments to other posters, as many as possible. You’ve succeeded. But the best comment you made is informing me that I have no right to tell others what to say or think, even though I didn’t. Now, go and read your comment to Lou51. Obviously hypocrisy does not mean much to you.

    • Reply March 26, 2013

      Janet G

      @Muffy and Rachel If have something nice to say about Tony Abbott can you please inform us of his policies as well. He seems to need women to speak for him.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    lou51

    Carole/m – I stated you “young ones” – did that say “all” meaning anyone who is under 30 – for goodness sake read things.
    Not once have I lectured anyone – I just do a bit of research and put it on the site.
    Re – being asked to leave your job when you got married – I was merely stating HOW far woman’s rights have come – MY opinion and I do apologize – if it has already been canvassed.
    You did not comment on – that I thought – this site would be more positive in it’s attitude to Woman’s right and banding together to make it better???
    In Julia Gillards words – take your best shot!

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Lenka , I & many others on this site agree with you re single parent payments but I don’t agree completely with you re asylum seekers .
    If you remember the Gillard Gov . wanted to introduce the so called Malaysian solution , which was recommended by experts as the best way forward & which was likely to stop the dangerous voyage by boat . Asylum seekers could then be processed in the countries they had arrived in such as Malaysia & Indonesia etc

    The Opposition & the Greens refused to allow this legislation through the parliament so the PM’s hands are tied because the Opposition & the Greens prefer it that way, they think that there are votes in ” keeping the boats coming “.

    As for Peter Slipper , I do not see him as Misogynist , gay or bi-sexual maybe , it was Tony Abbott who called him a Misogynist & a Sexist in the parliament , that’s what provoked the PM’s ” Misogyny Speech “.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Rachel calling me a troll , maybe it’s the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    muffy

    Nah Carole/m, I think Rachel identifying you as a troll seems like a fair call to me:)

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    dominique

    sad how this conversation has has so quickly deteriorated. ‘m just as politically torn as many of you. I do believe there’s a strong element of sexism at play, within the labor govt as in the MSM. I don’t like Gillard’s policies on sole parents or refugees and Indigenous policy is still way off track. I do like her polices on education, health, NBN, child care and her economic management. I don’t know what the Coalition’s policies are because they will not provide the opportunity for journos or anyone to ask/find out any detail. I know no more than before the last election. Someone please tell me after 3 years exactly what their climate change policy is, how it will work? (I suspect what Hunt is really saying/not saying is he’ll work it out really quickly with business groups after they’ve been elected). Abbot is following a ‘very small target’ strategy and I beg the country to not allow this game playing. Keep asking, demanding he outline some policy substance. Only one thing is clear – if he doesn’t get the Senate he wants, (Greens senators will continue to hold the balance of power in the Senate to July 1, 2014) he’ll use climate change policy as an excuse to play parliamentary politics for months and then force us to a double dissolution election.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    dominique

    Just want to add, I’ve tested myself on the sexism leader thing imagining how I’d feel if it was say, Julie Bishop PM in a fantasy future – difficult yes. But I think I’d feel the same way if she’d been treated like Gillard has been in the media and by her colleagues. I recall seeing the ‘ditch the witch’ sign being carried over C’wealth bridge to that protest and was truly horrified. Seeing Abbott in front of it on TV finished him for me. When he says he didn’t mean it, he’s either really, really dumb or a liar.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Cheryl H

    For all the Tony Abbott supporters, I offer this suggestion before you vote for him, read some of his quotes and then say that you still support the coalition. Here is a couple of random quotes from the preferred Prime Minister:

    From Sunday Profile, 12 June 2005.

    “…Jesus didn’t say yes to everyone. I mean Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it is not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.”
    Or this quote

    “…we just can’t stop people from being homeless if that’s their choice…”

    - Said to a Catholic social services conference, February 2010

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Rachel s contributions ; claiming this site is :-
    * an Abbott Hate Club
    * is putting women back a few decades
    * is a site for Feminist Unionists
    * the suggestion that contributors are not
    inteelligent

    Nuff

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Nuff said .

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Ella

    carole/m, you’re only making yourself look more foolish and nasty. Grow up troll.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Fairy The Green One

    Linda Robinson-
    The obnoxious, arrogant and smug Tony Abbott is already full of himself as well as “cow manure’.His misogynistic attitude stinks to ‘high heavens’ -maybe that’s why he feel so close to his god.
    Repeatedly,loudly and publicly rubbing his nose in his own offensive ‘manure’ from over the past year would be a good reminder to the strutting ‘would be if he could be” that we haven’t forgotten what he has said and done.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    carole/m

    Seems that the Trolls are double teaming now.

  • Reply March 26, 2013

    Lala

    I think it would be unrealistic to expect to like every single thing any leader does/says. I feel the best we as voters can do is figure out not just what we like/dislike but if the other lot would be any better. Of course, that is very hard to do without much inthe way of policy indication from the opposition at this point, a deliberate strategy on their part.

    I’d prefer the current PM to a blind stab in the dark. She’s definitely not perfect and there is plenty of work to do. I don’t like that the single mother shift to Newstart that the Howard govt started was allowed to go ahead (although I’m doubtful she would have got a change to that through the hung parliament but could be wrong). The impression I have is that the LNP would take this further still (when youngest child turns 5 was being touted). So on that point it seems a choice between bad or worse with the main parties (the Greens seem solidly behind the single mothers on this one, a good move on their part.

    The other thing I don’t like is the refugee/boat arrivals situation, not the choice of the PM either but the result of a political impasse. I would have liked to see her taking a stronger stance on her first chosen option, no matter what…. it makes me sad how much this reflects the zenophobic sentiment common here and it is one of Australia’s biggest shames IMO.

    The NDIS is awesome, long needed. The economy is the envy of the world, Australians should be proud of our continued growth through the GFC when major, established economies have floundered. That didn’t just happen by accident. I am sad that the apology for forced adoptions was overshadowed last week but glad it happened. The raising of wages for those in female dominated caring professions was a very positive move, I think Nicola Roxon did some great stuff in her tenure, not least the way she took on the tobacco companies.

    Because it is specific and very important to me personally, I also think that the adjustment to the family law act to put children’s safety as a higher priority than maintaining a relationship with an abuser was essential. More needs to be done though.

    Another policy I’d like to see, a greater investment in further education to reduce study costs for those from low income families. Also some efforts to stop the erosion of TAFE colleges (not sure if this affects all states but is especially bad in Qld and NSW).

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    carole/m

    Liked your well thought out comments Lala .
    Tafe Colleges I believe are a State Gov .responsibility and here in Victoria the LNP government has closed several but that was under Ted Baillieau who has after approx. 2 to
    2 1/2 years in office been -Knifed – by Dennis Napthine our new Premier. This Government hangs on a knife edge with a former LNP / now independent member who is under investigation for misuse of his government car to run his private businesses & I believe misuse of fuel vouchers . All this is going on with the holier than though LNP & guess what , theirs no tainted vote fiasco going on & the Media are not that interested .
    Certain sections of the Media are out to get Julia Gillard and the Labor Gov . and in the process rob Australians of their Democratic rights otherwise how do you explain their lack of interest in what’s happening in Victoria.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    Di Peterson

    Lala and Dominique it is .. wonderful to see intelligent,thoughtful and informed comments…Julia is such an easy target and many of her decisions i disagree with get us out of (Afganistan ! Please!
    !! but she has come through this debacle a stronger leader and her cabinet is now behind her…….lets face it anybody but Abbot……do I hate him? No just think he is incapable of leading… take a look at his shadow cabinet and the search for intelligent reasoned debate ?’ Malcom is the only one standing in that shrill crowd

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    lyndal

    The only way we can move forward is to be rid of this dreadful Government…..of course Tony is not going to reveal his policies….she will steal them as she did last election…she is a socialist, fabian supporter who has destroyed this country, destroyed large and small business and is leaving us with a massive debt that will take years and years to repay

    • Reply March 27, 2013

      Janet G

      Oh, Lyndal, you make me laugh. Tony is not going to reveal his policies because Julia might steal them????

      The whole ideal of Tony having a policy is a laugh. His policies are negative policies: Undo the carbon tax ( I hope everyone can get insurance for the increasing number of natural disasters ); Undo the mining tax (let Gina rip out the common resources of this country) ; Abolish native title ( allowing mining companies to go where they will); Unlimited 457 visas ( who needs work choices then ? ) ; Work for the dole (slavery for all those that cannot find work because of 457 visas); Send the boats back ( because it is more moral to send refugees back to what they run from ).

      Who needs policies? What for?

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    Carmen Neutral

    As a mature age jobseeker, I look forward to Tony’s liberal upgrade of the government’s current policy/program ($1,000 Jobs Bonus Scheme), devised to encourage the employment of workers who are 50 plus. This was an example of inadequate, policy development. One of many, devised to distract and make it look like the government was being proactive, when the opposite was actually the case. I also see the liberal’s support of the private health cover rebate key to maintaining our health services/systems.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    diane

    As a retired job trainer for both youth and older people, I can tell you that Some employers will employ some one for a period of 1 year or for as long as the government gives them the invcentive (money) and then they will get rid of that employee and hire new people to get the money and once you have worked for that system it is hard to find another job despite your qualification and skills, I experienced this practise with alot of my clients, it is not a new scheme just a new title and it DOESN’t work

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    lyndal

    Janet G You ar obviously a leftie feminist who has no idea of “real life”….I have lived long enough to know the mess that Labor has created for us each time they are in Government…than god he will rid us of the carbon tax…you cannot honestly think that paying this mob of fools will make one iota of difference to the world temperature…..I am glad he will stop the boats, these people have money to pay people smugglers and fly across many countries to reach Indonesia, and there is no way Indonesia would let them in with no papers…..They are centrelink seekers…what other country is stupid enough to pay $5000 to have a baby!!!….You should remeber that the Govt has no money, they take it from us or they borrow it $300 billion so far…after Peter Costello left the a balance of $22 billion…..also as for Julia, I for one find her an embarrassment to me as a woman, There are many stories about her morals, which have been proven true, she also has a “handbag” partner who is gay…..AND she is under investigation by the Victorian Police for theft from the AWU and also falsification of documents from her time at Slater and Gordon……..for Labors experiment of the first female Prime Minister….I and everyone I speak to give them a giant FAIL

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    anne louise

    Oh my, Lyndal, you ARE feeling angry about Prime Minister Gillard and her supporters. So much so that it seems to have sent you into a fit of rage which precludes any clear thought. (Much like your fellow trolls on this page).

    You have made quite a few assertions. No understanding of the facts is evident, and yet you feel comfortable in saying that Janet G has no idea of real life. How do you know that? Do you know her really really well?

    I am inclined to think that your statements regarding the Prime Minister and her government might just have come from the same vault as your summation of the character of our fellow opinionist.

    I am also thinking that maybe you have been away for a few years and haven’t noticed a few salient facts:

    The Rudd government, with the assistance of Treasurer Swan helped the people of Australia to avoid the nastier effects of the Global Financial Crisis by delivering the fiscal stimulus. That cost quite a bit of money. (The LNP disagreed with the move). Thank them that we do not have high unemployment and destitution at mind boggling proportions.

    We don’t have a Carbon Tax. We have a price on carbon. You seem to be back in the days when Tony thought that climate change was crap. He’s changed his mind now. So, it’s you and Lord Monckton and a few other whizz kids who still deny that we contribute to climate change through carbon use.

    How does Tony say he’ll stop the boats?

    The Gillard government has said that they want to reduce the baby bonus for second and subsequent children to $3000. On the other hand Abbott says he will fund mothers to stay home with their babies for 6 months on a paid parental scheme, and with the National party’s push for a $10,000 baby bonus, this would cost up to $75,000.

    Ms Gillard is not under investigation by Victoria Police.

    These stories about the Prime Minister’s morals? The ones that have been proven true. . . . . . . gossip. (You can lump in all the rest of your spurious and vindictive claims which have nothing to do with the performance of her and her government).

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    anne louise

    Oh, and I forgot to mention also that the Howard Costello government managed to clear our debt and put us into a positive balance by selling 167 tonnes of our gold reserves – for a pittance, mind you. And also by shitting on our farmers.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    Sandy

    “You ar (sic) obviously a leftie feminist…”

    You say that like it’s a bad thing, lyndal.

    Anyway, what I’m going to do is contact the Labor party and ask them what I can do to assist them in winning this election.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    carole/m

    Julia Gillard is not under investigation by Victoria Police , Lyndal , your obviously a right wing nut job who likes to spread lies.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    Rhoda

    And here is another conversation we need to have. The cost of sending troops to fight wars on other planets. Wars are one of the biggest drains on a country’s resources. Iraq and Afghanistan have left the US economy in ruins. And it is an ongoing cost because of the medical and disability support that has to be provided to our veterans after and forever more. Does this show up on the balance sheets when we do a reckoning of what we can afford and what we can’t.

    The NDIS or guns and bullets? A no brainer I would have thought.

  • Reply March 27, 2013

    carole/m

    Howard sold Telstra .

    He also sent our armed forces to Afghanistan , I wonder how many Hundred Billion $$$ that has cost.

    • Reply March 27, 2013

      lou51

      Agree Carole/m – my heart sank Oct 2001 on the announcement of the decision to send in the “troops”. I felt for myself and all other families who had family serving.
      Every death has been so gut wrenching. Tho’ they say this is what we train for!
      I am glad they are coming home by the end of the year, just wish the labour Gov. had brought them home for Christmas 2006 – 37 of the 39 would be still with us.

  • Reply March 28, 2013

    anne louise

    Well you could wish that the labor government brought the troops back for Christmas 2006. They weren’t in power till November of 2007.

  • Reply March 28, 2013

    lou51

    Sorry slip of the finger – teach me to proof read!

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    lyndal

    You think Gillard is not under investigation???? go to michaelsmithnews.com…he has all the DOCUMENTED evidence

    • Reply March 29, 2013

      anne louise

      Facts Lydal. Tabloid opinion does not a fact make. Nor does DOCUMENTED evidence a la Michael Smith. Michael Smith? You’ve got to be joking.

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    Caroline B

    Michael Smith for my news??? That f***wit nut job from Go Back To where You Came From??? Lyndal, I actually LOLed – thanks for making my day!

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    Rhoda

    Lyndal, do you know who this Michael Smith is? He has a history you need to google and is a troll.

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    carole/m

    Did you stop to wonder Lyndal , why it is that ,although the real facts of these events have been known for more than 17 years , there have been no charges laid against JG , it’s because she did not commit a crime .
    A Lawyer acts on the instructions of their client , they are not responsible for any subsequent actions that client takes. Full Stop .

    As for morals , did you know Phony Tonys 19 year old girlfriend gave birth to a child that he walked away from & that child was later adopted .Did you know that Phony Tony personally went to court & vouched for a priest who had sexually abused a 15 year old boy . Did you know that Phony Tony lied to the Electoral Commission regarding a ” Slush ” fund he set up to get Pauline Hanson sent to jail when she was not guilty of the charges made.
    I could go on & on . Your Boy lives in a glass house Lyndal but the Media , especially News Ltd , are on a mission to get Julia Gillard no matter how well she governs & they’ve
    ” sucked in ” a lot of people , just like you , who prefer to spread hatred & lies .

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    Maureen P.

    Gosh, Lyndal! Julia Gillard has a ‘handbag’ partner who’s really gay! Why wasn’t I told?! Can I have the same magazine as you’re having!

    But that’s just like her though isn’t it when you think about it? I mean, you’d think that if Tim was sharing accomodation with her as well as doing her hair and providing overt cover for …hmm…I’m not sure what… a huge favour anyway, the least she could do in return would be to support gay marriage and get him out of her life?

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    anne louise

    Lol Maureen P.

  • Reply March 29, 2013

    maryellen

    abbot is not a thug. were you to know him personally you may change your mind.
    i for one am glad julia are on their way out and please before they mess about with our super.
    i am sick of pollies of all persuasions.
    i want someone to do something other than snipe at each other but that wouldnt sell paper or get an audience.
    talk talk talk and most of it rubbish.
    labour – spend spend spend then has to find ways to fill the empty coffers.
    lnp – fills the coffers then spends.
    just saying folks.

  • Reply March 30, 2013

    carole/m

    Well Maryellen ,
    Let’s just forget that Howard governed through world wide economic boom times & spent the boom on welfare for all , except the poor.

    Let’s forget that the Labor have governed through the worst world wide financial crisis in more than 80 years.

    Let’s forget that we have the best managed economy in the world — hello.
    Low Inflation
    Low interest rates
    Low unemployment
    Low debt as a ratio of GDP
    Continued Economic Growth of approx 3%
    3xAAA credit rating ( never achieved by Howard)

    We are better off than almost any other country in the World .
    Our problem is that at the behest of the Tony Abbott & the LNP , we have become the biggest mob of whingers in the world .

    Abbott has consistently Lied about the state of the economy & convinced many that hatred & sexism & character assassination & bare faced lies are all that’s needed to win .
    Just saying.

  • Reply March 30, 2013

    anne louise

    maryellen, I believe that we are put on this earth for a special reason. And the reason for your existence may just be to prove incontrovertibly that the msm tactics are paying off handsomely, for you quote verbatim all the rubbish with which they are polluting our atmosphere.

    I don’t know Abbott personally, and hope I never have to. He repulses me, but that is beside the point. We are not talking about Miss Congeniality here. We are talking about who we want to lead our government.

    Julia Gillard’s government has no plans to mess with anyone’s super. Labor governments tend to go into overdrive to protect worker’s conditions.
    There is some talk about cutting back on tax breaks on superannuation for the very rich. And I hope it happens. The wealthy should not expect those less well off to subsidize their income and should be pleased to pay taxes on money they have earned.

    One of the major tell tale signs that a contributor to opinion pieces gets their direction from the sell-outs in the msm is the referral to the sniping and derision of politicians from “both sides”. Go back as far as you like. You will find that negativity and gutter level communication originated with boy wonder. (Look up borderline personality disorder/narcissism. You might find Tone there). It is an accepted strategy of people who emotionally abuse to accuse the attacked party of the same tactics which they employ. In fact, Julia Gillard is quite the glowing example of composure, in my opinion.

    It may seem to be the case that Labor governments spend and spend and spend. They have to. Because LNP governments do not put money into infrastructure. They just don’t. Try naming one institution or authority which LNP governments introduced.
    The last LNP government is credited with bringing in a surplus after inheriting a deficit. They did. It was all true. They brought in a surplus in the 2002 – 03 budget of $1.5bill. That they sold $1.3bill worth of our assets to achieve it seems to have been lost in the mists of time.
    They sold many of our assets including properties ($440mill) which they immediately negotiated to rent back over the next 20 years ($960mill).
    They sold assets such as airports, government fleet management, radio licensing and broadcast spectrum, passenger and freight rail, the commonwealth employment service and others mentioned in posts above.
    They sold out on ordinary working people through work choices. There are people today who are working evenings and weekends with no compensation. Most of these people are low wage earners in hospitality. Shameful. And now we have high income earners whinging about maybe losing part of a subsidy on their enormous superannuation assets.
    They introduced free trade agreements which plunged our primary producers into a foreign realm and did nothing to assist them to adapt. Many of our farmers suicided as a result.

  • Reply March 30, 2013

    Janet G

    I will never forget the poor woman who died with her very young children and baby in 2006 in Pagewood, Sydney for the reason that she could not afford adequate heating and blankets. They all slept in the lounge room with a heater and were killed when the room caught fire. She was a casualty of the relentless greed of those who refuse to walk in another’s shoes.

    Nor will I forget Howard’s racist politics, his attacks on older working people, or the aged. I won’t forget his dogs and masked men on the wharves. And I realize that Abbott and his crew plan to build upon that divided and angry society. Their constant negative attacks on the Australian economy have shown that they are destructive.

    The Australian Anthem states the sort of Australia that our ancestors worked for:

    Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
    We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
    To make this Commonwealth of ours
    Renowned of all the lands;
    For those who’ve come across the seas
    We’ve boundless plains to share;
    With courage let us all combine
    To Advance Australia Fair.

  • Reply March 30, 2013

    carole/m

    Maryellen

    The fact that you have Superannuation is thanks to the Labor Party under Paul Keating

    Medicare – thanks to Labor

    NDIS – thanks to Labor under Julia Gillard

    If you want Gonsky ( fair education for all )
    you won’t get it under Abbott.

    Social Reform doesn’t come from the right wing.

  • Reply March 30, 2013

    Roxane

    Here is the page running the vote4julia site. http://vote4julia2013.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/marginal-target-seats/
    They have a FB page too

    • Reply March 31, 2013

      Maureen P.

      Thanks for the link, Roxane. I’ll have alook at the site.

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