WHAT WAS SHE THINKING?
Has Germaine Greer delivered Prime Minister Julia Gillard an unkind boot in the backside?
“You’ve got a big arse, Julia, just get on with it,” she said last night on ABC TV’s Q&A to loud laughter from fellow panelists and the audience.
She also gave the PM some fashion advice about getting rid of those “bloody jackets”.
“They don’t fit and are poorly cut,” said Ms Greer.
Her comments have the Twittersphere chattering:
@Lisa_Wilkinson Gr8 discussion on Germaine Greer‘s comments re Julia’s derriere. If her young feminist self could see GG now – disappointed.
@stellajyoung Pretty confused about Germaine Greer commenting on Gillard’s clothing. Umm? #qanda
@whinwomen Interesting to see Germaine Greer comment on Julia Gillards clothes and “fat bum”. A new era of feminism, or Greer abandoning the cause?
@gem324 Germaine Greer what a disappointment, fueling the superficial and irrelevant debate about the PM’s wardrobe and appearance
@DrRickyLee I like to bash all politicians about anything, but even I would not do a Germaine Greer and discuss the PM’s backside on TV
@janecat60 disappointing Germaine Greer commenting on Julia Gillard’s clothing. That’s what blokes and silly girls in the media do
And then, there is the News Ltd commentator, Miranda Devine, who has this to say:
“For the birth-mother of 1960s feminism, Germaine Greer sure isn’t much of a sister.
Last night on the ABC’s Q&A panel show, she mocked the Prime Minister’s figure, saying Julia Gillard should face the fact she has a “big bum”.
Greer thinks the PM’s jackets are all wrong because from behind they go “horizontal”. According to her the jackets are cut too narrow at the hips.
Nice, really nice. No matter whether or not you support the PM’s policies, this is the lowest criticism. Because of her status as a feminist icon, Greer has just legitimised every misogynist to attack Gillard’s appearance. As if they need any encouragement.
It just shows her whole fem-philosophy was a pose, and because she was a good writer, pushy, reckless, witty and, yes, pretty, she built a career on trashing men and drawing attention to her love-starved self.
These days she makes a living out of trashing younger women.
The feminist goddess has feet of clay.”
So, over to you, Hooplarians… Has Germaine Greer delivered the most unkind cut of all to our PM?
Has she betrayed the sisterhood?
Or is this the kind of straight talking we’ve come to expect from Germaine?
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104 Responses to this article
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Julie Morgan King March 20, 2012
I am disappointed by GG’s comment and the subsequent appeals on Twitter to “take it in context” or “lighten up.” If I turn on to a current affairs programme, I want to hear about policy opinions, not cutting asides about the another woman’s backside. Imagine if a man (or woman) sat on the panel and commented on GG’s figure. Or her dress code.
Keep to topic. And on that note, I found GG’s comments about kids and porn and about the war most insightful.
It’s easy to point score (or not) using nasty humour, but it doesn’t do anyone any favours.
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Liz March 20, 2012
Very disappointing for a feminist icon. Shouldn’t matter what she wears or what she looks like. She has risen to the top in her chosen profession. That’s all that matters Germain!
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Tracey March 20, 2012
Yes, I am extremely disappointed. Her body shape doesn’t affect how she runs the country.
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Kerry March 20, 2012
Germaine was very good on Q&A and the comment on Ms Guillard’s clothing etc came after an excellent overview of what the Prime Minister is dealing with in a minority government. It was just a light hearted comment, too much being made of it. What about all the rest of her very considered comments through out the show, are they not worthy of some thought. Who is really betraying the sisterhood!
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Margi Macdonald March 20, 2012
Kerry,
you just aid everything I wanted to say!-
WENDY GREEN March 20, 2012
Me Too Kerry! Germaine Greer has never been one of my favourite people but last night the insights she shared on practically ALL other topics hit home and showed me what an intelligent and sensible woman she is.
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Jac March 20, 2012
Germaine tends to really put ideas out there that rattle and worry people. The Q and A was excellent last night. The whole interview and her contributions were fantastic and she did make that comment as an aside – The same way any group of women would say that in private…..
We comment about what males wear all the time, whether they are bald, what they look like in cozzies – They are politicians just as Julia is a politician.
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Amber March 20, 2012
Why don’t you mention all the positive things Greer said about Gillard last night? This one remark, which was clearly said as a joke, was said after another panellist brought up dress sense. Gree praised the Prime MInister for being an effective administrator and hard worker.
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Alicia Larriera March 20, 2012
It was an interesting performance to watch…Greer would be asked a question and not come close to answering it, ranbling here there and everywhere to say what she felt like and come across as funny…hence why the word “performance” kept coming to mind as I watched…I stand guilty of wishing I could take Julia shopping for a new wardrobe, but would I in a former writing life have expressed that publicly? Um, no. Her wardrobe (as long as it’s professional which it is), let alone her size, have zero bearing on her capacity to lead the nation and represent us internationally. Greer may think she was being funny, and she certainly got lots of laughs, but for all of us out there who live with poor body image every day because we don’t measure up to size 2 to 4 airbrushed perfection…Greer, you’re the one that needs to get on with it, not Julia.
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pete March 20, 2012
everyone matures & mellows when they get OLD!
germaine who????????-
blue March 20, 2012
Pete, why have you written the word ‘old’ all in capitals?
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Claire March 20, 2012
I’m disappointed – not in the comments per se, but that it was Germaine who made them.
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Melissa March 20, 2012
Thumbs down from me. If it was during a fashion show, then fine, comment on the cut of her jacket in relation to her pear shaped figure. But during a political show, let’s focus on the politics. Paaaaahlease!
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Rivka March 20, 2012
Disagree! So what if Julia has a big bum, who said that was bad?! Big bums are nice. And her jackets ARE badly cut. We could say that about a man just as easily. Stop being so PC girls, and get over it.
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Kate Southam March 20, 2012
One of Australia’s first internationally recognised feminists commenting on the physical appearance of Australia’s first female prime minister – for laughs – woeful.
Worse, Germaine Greer gave PM-hating radio shock shocks fabulous material to work with this morning.
From another view, the comment reflects a disturbing commercial trend for the public figure – controversy sells whether you believe what you are saying or no.
GG is not the first person to use controversy to stay visible and therefore relevant to the speaker’s and writer’s circuit.
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KayO'Sullivan March 20, 2012
Germaine makes the bulk of her living by making comment. Bland commentators don’t get gigs. Germaine’s been a sought-after commentator for 40 years. What does that tell you?
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Craig March 20, 2012
Please people, she is an old lady and they sometimes say funny things as they slowly lose their mind.
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julie March 20, 2012
Greer ain’t no lady and yes there are plenty of us around watching you young whippersnappers and ready to pull you into line when you try to bag us all as ‘old ladies.’
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Kate Southam March 20, 2012
I stand by my earlier comment but … @Craig, Germaine Greer is no an old lady losing her mind. I have seen her speak and she is dynamite on her feet but she also admits to courting controversy as a device.
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Janek March 20, 2012
GG is not old! She’s more often than not, right on the money with her witty comments! Everyone, including alot of daggy old men politicians, needs a “what not to wear” fashion tip occasionally – I thought all Germaine’s other points were hugely articulate and she made us laugh at the end – entertainly memorable. Good on you GG!!
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MrsP2011 March 20, 2012
Can it Craig! “Old” is no longer fodder for the sarcasm of Gen Y and beyond.
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Sarah Watts March 20, 2012
Shocked and disappointed that GG would make such comments – does JG’s dress have anything to do with her ability?
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smile chickie March 20, 2012
very disappointing.
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KMC March 20, 2012
It was totally out of line…….she should know better and both of these comments are irrelevant to the task of running the country.
Clothing is a matter of taste (so feel free to think what you like about jackets etc but its not our place to tell others how to dress) and bum size is…..what can one say, unbelievable! -
Mary Longford March 20, 2012
Disappointing but not that surprising….anything to get her head on the box now…she’s had her day…clearly!! Not a fan of the PM but her clothes and her physique should be off limits …especially to other women!!! Some men will be LOVING this.
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julie March 20, 2012
What a shame that everything that was said about what a great job Julia Gillard is doing as PM to get so much complex legislation through, and so much actually done, to have it all brought down by a flippant comment from Greer. It may have been ‘lighthearted’ but one of the problems in Australia is that scorpion stings get hidden under a veil of laughter- in some arenas this is called bullying! Those types of comments need to be made privately, not in such a public forum. I’m afraid Greer has lost me in recent years. She seems to have lost the plot on many fronts. Never, ever thought I’d agree with Miranda Devine!
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Judith Slagle March 20, 2012
G G It is better to keep your mouth shut & appear stupid…. than to open it & remove all doubt..
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WENDY GREEN March 20, 2012
Love that quote!!
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Kerri Breeden March 20, 2012
Disappointed too…….. GG might as well have gone on morning radio with the shock jocks and cut out the middle man …. I for one wont be that keen to see her anymore…..especially now I have seen her make fun of a woman to enhance her own profile…..disappointed!
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Trisha March 20, 2012
GG has betrayed herself even more than the rest of us. Everyone excuses their Misongynist or racist statements by saying they are lighthearted jokes – its not true.
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Margi Macdonald March 20, 2012
Look, PM GIllard’s image- her media training, her voice coaching, ‘those’ jackets – it’s all been a freaking disaster.
The Gillard government has been trundling along, passing legislation and keeping us all afloat, and it has some complex messages to explain and ‘sell’.
What isn’t helping us as a nation, is the fact that Ms Gillard – a naturally engaging, warm and eloquent communicator- has been stymied from the get-go.
I’d love to see her reinvent her public image and communication style… in this day-and-age, they’re all part of the deal for any senior executive – male or female – whether we like it or not.
And let’s be honest, whom of us has not rolled her eyes at John Howard’s tracky-daks, and the fact that he too, magically reinvented his image by modernising his teeth and eyebrows and dumping the super-geek spectacles?
Ms Greer articulated last night that our current PM is a talented administrator and negotiator.
What a shame we’ve let a jacket-and-bum comment distract us from giving PM Gillard the support and affirmation her work deserves. -
Susan March 20, 2012
If you listened to whole program you would have also heard her praise for Julia’s compentency and leadership. The big bum was said in jest along with amazing comments on pornography and our children’s sex education. The best, the most expansive discussion ever held on Australian TV. Please watch the Iview and get over concentrating on one sentence taken out of context.
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EJB March 20, 2012
What about all the fabulous things GG also said about JG. The last thing was just a comment about jackets, something we have probably all thought. A throw away line about the bum! What happened to perspective?
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Bev March 21, 2012
Where today in the media have we heard any of those good things GG said about our PM. I haven’t heard them but there has been a fair bit of fun had at the PM’s expense because of GG’s last throwaway line. GG, said herself, that she doesn’t get many gigs in Oz media so I guess she was out to make her Q&A appearance memorable for the wrong reasons. I was very disappointed as for some silly reason I thought GG, of all people, would stoop to use the PM’s body shape to get herself some laughs.
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Tara Moss March 20, 2012
Watching the segment, I notice Germaine made some excellent comments about Julia, her strong points and the difficulty of her position as a politician. And when Germaine finished with this surprising throw away line about the PM’s style – which had already been brought up on the panel – her jokes got a lot of laughter from the studio audience.
Sadly, these unnecessary and ill thought-out wisecracks have completely overshadowed her other comments, and given ammunition to those keen to dismiss Germaine’s many achievements as a feminist and intellectual.
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Jane Caro March 20, 2012
Sheesh! Ever been on Q&A? It is terrifying and you have no idea what you are going to be asked.
Greer made an off the cuff remark. Can we all just back off a bit. We all occasionally say ill-judged and thought out things, but we’re rarely on national TV when we do so.
She was 99% brilliant last night. Instead of picking on one mistake can we concentrate on her triumph?
No, certainly not, she is a woman and we’re not allowed to put a foot wrong ever.
Imagine how much braver we’d all be if we were allowed to fuck up the way men are.-
julie March 21, 2012
The problem was that her ‘one mistake’ which was pretty deliberate from where I was watching, was the one that got the greatest reaction from the audience, and the rest of the panel. That was the disappointing part. It completely overshadowed the rest of her performance and all the positive comments that were made about Gillard.
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Siham Owen March 20, 2012
I agree with Jane back off ladies…..
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Linda March 20, 2012
Can’t believe it. I am shocked and amazed and can only hope it was “just one of those comments ” that are sometimes made under the pressure of a live audience and being part of a panel. Still I would have preferred GG to speak about the introduction of the MRT or the diability insurance scheme or one of the other ground breaking policies Julia has presided over – not what she wears.
I guess it goes to show that even our heroes can get it wrong too. Still overwhelmingly disappointed. -
Fiona March 20, 2012
Way to displace a mighty mighty discussion on porn and sex education….easier I suppose to take Ms Greer’s comments out of context than to think too deeply about the real issues at hand on last nights quanda. Plus all you do is give legitimacy to the notion that feminists are without humour. Bit of a cop out/media beat up, if you ask me.
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WENDY GREEN March 20, 2012
For the record, I think PM Gillard is a beautiful woman of poise and dignity.
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Robyn March 20, 2012
very dissappointing. Wear what you like Julia. Its not a fashion parade. I thought this sort of superficiality was what we did not want. Personal comments about appearance and such are unnacceptable.
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Bec March 20, 2012
Loved all the good things GG had to say about the prime minister last night. Bum comment was light hearted.
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maggie March 20, 2012
Jane Caro I always admire your teewts on QANDA. You Germaine Greer and above all the Prime Minister are a credit to the sisterhood
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Jane Caro March 20, 2012
Thanks, deeply flattered to be in that company! Don’t think there is a sisterhood though.
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Catherine March 20, 2012
Who cares? We’re women of a new generation. I was a kid when Germaine was on her hobby horse. Germaine Greer is outdated and irrelevant. She has never walked in my shoes (combining motherhood with a career and further education) and until she has I don’t listen to a word she says.
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Janek March 20, 2012
Bum Bum Bum to you, Catherine!! Germaine Greer is NOT outdated or irrelevant!
It’s women like GG who have made it possible for you to combine it all – career, education, children! Don’t you get it?
You should listen to her, since you’ve never walked in HER shoes. you so-called “new generation” of women are so ungrateful! -
julie March 21, 2012
Wow such arrogance. GG might not have kids but those of us who are her age or a little younger most certainly all fought for equal rights and equal pay while we tried to balance raising kids, often as single mums and holding down very senior positions and professional careers. A bit of gratitude for what we fought for so that you could enjoy things like childcare, more family friendly workplaces etc would not go astray!! It’s time for older feminists to get more feisty again.
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Kate March 21, 2012
I guess Catherine you are calling GG out for not being a mother? As she has certainly worked and done the higher education bit.
Turn the clock back 50 years to when GG was 23 and you had to QUIT YOUR JOB in the public service if you married. YOUR HUSBAND had to sign your application for a passport and it was almost de riguer that you lost your own name and became Mrs George Smith. There was no single mothers pension, baby bonus, maternity leave, sexual harassment policy, child care payments, and very little “room” for women at university. Heavens you weren’t even allowed into the bar in a hotel.
I am a little younger than germaine but for me it was also an impossibility financially to have children and do things like postgraduate study with no assistance. And I so enjoy being judged for that as “irrelevant” while I paid and still pay taxes and fought all these years for you to have those conditions.
I think you need to be grateful to those who made the changes that allow you to enjoy whatever balance you chose in your life.
I am with JaneCaro on GGs remarks, ill-considered but just one in 1000 considered ones.
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Trees A Green March 20, 2012
Are you serious Catherine?
Those that have gone before are outdated and irrelevant? Those shoes you walk in are have most certainly been made more comfortable by G and her predecessors. Thanks to Germaine, and all the others who got astride those hobby horses and continue to ride them, and those to whom they pass the reins. CccrACK! -
Margaret Cunningham March 20, 2012
More worrying is that she repeated an exhortation she made at the F-Word Forum: that anti-Afghans read the Koran. She surely decided 50 years ago that all religion is divisive rubbish.
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MrsP2011 March 20, 2012
I’ve never been a fan of Germaine Greer or any feminist who thinks they can speak for me. However, having said that I didn’t see the program last night but I’m sure she wasn’t being unkind – just being Germaine. I’ve seen much, much worse by way of unkind remarks about the PM on Facebook. Some people have hideous thought processes.
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Sarah March 20, 2012
…..and you’re all on here discussing our PM’s appearance and/or bitching about Germaine….pot, kettle, black. Let’s practise what we preach and get back onto policy. I think it is a great triumph that Ms Gillard got the mining tax through especially since it’s something which Mr Rudd could not do. This is an example of Ms Gillard’s great skill as a politician and a negotiator. Due to this success and others, in the policy field, I am really warming to her again. She is hard as nails. I love it.
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MrsP2011 March 22, 2012
Me too!
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Sarah March 20, 2012
PS. Jane Caro is spot on.
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Not That Noni March 20, 2012
I was really disappointed – it was a cheap laugh. I think I’d be a bit cooler with it if she was on record as being equally damning of other PMs appearances – did GG give Rudd a razzle for his daggy hairdo? Or John Howard for those famous eyebrows?
I get what Jane’s saying about the spur of the moment on national TV (I’ve had my own ridiculous moment under lights and cameras), but it was still a fairly unkind thing to say.
Either way, to make a joke about people’s appearance is never a nice move. It’s petty and reeks of schoolyard bullying. And if Julia’s got a “big arse”, then gees, I’d never want to meet Germaine for fear of what she might say about my larger frame. Because you know what? Those kind of digs still hurt.
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Scf March 20, 2012
If GG wants to make glib comment, let her comment. It was of no great importance, and pretty sure JG would only laugh at it. And no, Miranda Devine (why on earth Hoopla is quoting this hack I don’t know) it does not give every misogynist the right to attack her – BTW, they usually don’t have the brain to discuss clothing styles.
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Christina March 20, 2012
Her comments were irrelevant – why attack someone personally. However, those comments are likely to be ignored by others and the end result is that GG ends up looking rather irrelevant herself. It’s like a school yard bully who shouts something personal about someone and ends up losing any power they had over that person because they just look so silly. Unfortunately, women looking silly and/or bitchy in the media doesn’t really help those small minded enough to think that women can’t get along for long enough to do a good job. Unfortunately they are still out there.
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Catherine March 20, 2012
Please, Hoopla, do not get into the habit of giving air time to Miranda Devine.
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Julie March 20, 2012
Interesting!! Germaine Greer’s observation about Julia’s clothing are actually correct. The Prime Minister really needs to get a wardrobe conducive to her height and weight. I also find it interesting that people knock Germaine Greer for making comments about Julia, when in Parliament today Wayne Swann made some stupid comment about “Curly – one of the three stooges” in fact referring to Andrew Robb of the opposition. Julia (PM) along with Jenny Macklin and Anthony Albanese, all felt it appropriate to laugh at such a condescending comment. So don’t be too hard on Germaine for speaking the truth when Julia finds it appropriate to snigger at denigrating comments about the Opposition.
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julie March 21, 2012
I see there is more than one Julie on this forum- that’s confusing, and frustrating. I don’t support these thoughts at all!
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Badu March 21, 2012
“It just shows her whole fem-philosophy was a pose, and because she was a good writer, pushy, reckless, witty and, yes, pretty, she built a career on trashing men and drawing attention to her love-starved self.”
Yeah, real sisterly. Seriously, get a life.
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Lady Jewels Diva March 21, 2012
If that was all that Germaine said that caused all the hoopla, then everyone needs to get the hell over themselves. There are far worse things in this world than someone thinking Julia’s arse is big.
IT IS!
I’ve thought it for ages, Julia’s jackets are NOT right for her body shape, and she needs to get out of heels because as we all know, when women wear heels for so long they stop standing straight and end up bent like a duck and then it makes one’s backside stick out like a duck. You don’t have to not be a feminist to think it, so for people to get their knickers in a bloody knot over something so trivial and stupid is just that, stupid!
I don’t like Julia, I’ve stated that many times before, but you don’t need to hate someone to think their arse is big. Besides, how many people who have replied here have actually thought it? You complain about her voice, why is it different? You complain about the way she runs the country, why is that different? You complain about the way she patronises people when she speaks to them. Why is it different to stating a fact? Her jackets DO NOT fit her and her arse IS big. Even my mother thinks so for God’s sake.
There is so much more going on in the world and this is made into such a big deal it’s bloody ridiculous!
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royce March 21, 2012
The problem GG is that she seems to be… not a very nice person really. I guess she has done good for the cause of women’s emancipation etc….. but…. just not a very nice person.
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Michelle March 21, 2012
Yes Royce I would rather be called all the things Wendy Harmer just mentioned than ‘NICE”…..that’s a term used by many to keep women ‘in-line’ for centuries…Don’t do this, don’t say that people won’t think your NICE!’ Grrrrrr……give me strength I am ANYTHING & EVERYTHING more than NICE & so are the majority of women (and men) I know.
JG & GG are people beyond labels but AWSOME will do, I say down with nice!!!
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Sandy Gandhi March 21, 2012
Consider this – It was obvious that GG thinks JG is a good PM and her ass-ide comment could be seen as coming from an ‘old pro’ as it were. A long association with a dodgy stylist coupled with her own big arse – sisterly advice from one far more experienced.
I’m sure JG will take GG’s comments in the spirit they were intended, and so should we, and have a laugh whilst asking that age-old question, Does my bum look big in this?!
Namaste to all including the poorly dressed with big bums,
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Margaret Cunningham March 21, 2012
Wendy, you agree with Germaine about reading the Koran, extending the philosophy to the Bible – so should haters of Nazism read Mein Kampf?
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Margaret Cunningham March 21, 2012
Wendy, you agree with Germaine about reading the Koran, extending the philosophy to the Bible – so should haters of Nazism read Mein Kampf?
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Bridget March 21, 2012
I’m really disappointed in you Hoopla. Keep focussed on the important stuff, not this side show garbage. The Sun Herald would run with this story- no story.
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Amanda March 21, 2012
Thanks for the advice to go watch the iView version. And absolutely spot on Bridget! Ironically one of the early topics was whether Australians are stupid or politicians just think we are. The answer was that the media take the lowest common denominator and ‘make a story’ out of it. The majority of comment on the Q&A show was rich and intelligent, and GG provided most of it. None of the twitter comments lambasted her comment (although they were moderated). So I can’t understand how her ‘fat bum’ comments have become the story of the day. Perhaps not her best moment, but the resulting furore is the perfect example of what she was saying about the media constantly taking her comments out of context in order to sell a paper.
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Robyn Gaffel March 21, 2012
GG is right but should she have said it? No. But someone should and they should also have steered Therese Rein to a better dresser also. However, the PM, when a male, is only criticised for wearing Aussie tracksuits not his suit of workclothes. GG should try being on a fashion programme next time.(if one wouold have her)
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Jim March 22, 2012
Jeez haven’t we anything better to argue about than GG comment, which I do agree on, but then I bet GG or the PM could easily make a pertinent remark about my lack of dress sense, my less than perfection bod, even the car I choose to drive.
The Prime Minister choses to ignore vast numbers of the electorate over the preference for referenda, distribution of taxes, so any perceived comment should be taken on the chin. Possibly as a well meaning observation. -
Robyne Young March 23, 2012
I don’t agree with those who think we should lighten up about this and should see it in the (I was going to say broader context but perhaps that’s a bad choice of words). I don’t believe that even when we take into account the other comments Germaine Greer made that it makes it okay and expand on this in my Border Mail column online this week. http://bit.ly/GNvzoF
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Catherine March 29, 2012
Dear Wendy Harmer, and other female commentators on GG’s comments. GG only spoke the truth, JG is supposed to be representing our country as she always likes to tell us, “I am Prime Minister” it is therefore a mandatory obligation for her to be dressed in an appropriate way. This I feel she fails to do. JG should have advice on which clothes suit her body type, at present it is obvious she does NOT have this advice. I am a woman of the 60′s and of the same era as GG, she is entitles to give her opinion on how JG dresses just as we are all giving our opinion’s now. As an older Australian woman if I had a chance I would certainly give JG an opinion privately on how she should dress, when you see her at international functions she FALLS SHORT and that reflects badly on AUSTRALIA.
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Factsseeker March 30, 2012
What Germaine said was calculated intentionally to hurt Julia. Germaine knows the media will run with her cruel comments. What relevance is her arse to her value as a person ? Germaine’s comments appeal to those who voyeuristically get sadistic pleasure out of seeing others humiliated. Only sadists rationalize that Julia will ‘take it in her stride” or “get over it”. You don’t have to be nice (naive) to be decent. Research shows that verbal cruelty is just as damaging as physical violence. Don’t hide cruelty behind humour.
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Factsseeker March 30, 2012
I don’t understand what message Germaine needs to get across about Julia’s arse ? More generally, what is Germaine’s message today ?
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mandy May 22, 2012
Germaine looks like a wash up old rag she needs to take a good look at her boring taste and while she’s at it do something with that scruffy hair. What on earth are you hanging around for G.G.
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Rhoda August 9, 2012
Imagine her making a personal comment about Aung San Suu Kyi for instance. But I suppose what we think of the remark is irrevelant really. It’s what our PM thought of it that matters. I doubt she appreciated it. What woman would.
