• You know what...you stupid old fart..Tony did not even know about this media stunt until it hit the media!!!...You had better get used to him, because there will be a Qld style wipeout to get rid of Gillard {officially under inverstigation} and her corrupt incompetant...union dominated govt.... - lynda
  • I respectfully disagree on the semantics you highlight. He didn't say women of calibre. He said 'women of that calibre' in reference to the subgroup he had previously identified (the onesaustrala has supported through their educational journey). Just saying. - JenDalitz
  • Spot on Tara. I wonder if hard attitudes would soften if policies were named for the children themselves with debate directed at documents called Raising Future Australians Bill, Bringing Up Baby Bill, Children Are Our Future .... It should be blindingly obvious to all, even those without children, that the health and well-being of the very young is of paramount importance. - Dianne
  • I am in 50 to 100 age bracket. Do some volunteer work in an Aged Care facility. Recently (start of April 2012) became aware of on-line petitions via GetUp and www.communityrun.org websites. Started a petition with title "IT'S TIME for Non Drug, Hemp Food Products to be Approved for Human Food Consumption in Australia" Amazed at response. More than 100 signatures first day and less than 5 weeks to achieve 1000. Petition still has about 6 months to run. www.communityrun.org/p/hfa - Anthony
  • "When a sick fourteen month-old baby needs her mum….or dad. No it’s not. There’s no contest. Sick baby wins!" "If sick baby wins", why was it ok for sick baby to wait 5 days? Mum requested on Monday... for leave on Thursday. And then when granted leave, mum spends the afternoon doing radio and television interviews. Seems more like sick baby wins when it's politically convenient. We've moved from misogyny and onto sick babies, this Parliament's new football. - Joe
  • Hey KF, more power to you and me and anyone who has to FIGHT for our loved ones who can't fight for themselves. One day at a time. Sometimes one hour at a time. Metoo- here's hoping you never have to walk a mile in our shoes- for a multitude of reasons, and my last word- I don't see it as "locking up" my aunt I see it as an honor to make sure she is safe, looked after and comfortable for the rest of her life Good luck to everyone, Robyn - Roby
  • Tara, this article is brilliant. Agree with every word. - Nicole Madigan
  • Santorini..... - Katherine Basher
  • Very moving. Everyone I know who had done this has been touched by it. - Jo
  • I have to disagree with a few things in this article. Mothers have never been better supported than they are now. 12 years ago I didn't get a baby bonus and I only got 16% childcare rebate. Now families get 50% rebate on childcare. 12 years ago there was no paid maternity leave option from the government and the paid maternity leave from my work was 6 weeks, now it's increased to 8 weeks. A colleague told me last year she took 8 weeks at half pay (over 16 weeks) and then got 18 weeks paid maternity leave from the government so she could take over 8 months off with pay. There is also paternity leave available now where I work which wasn't available 12 years ago. However I do agree with Tara Moss about Newstart. Giving single parents the Newstart allowance is pathetic and I challenge any politician to try and live on it for 6 months and pay a mortgage or rent and see how they survive. We also still have a long way to go on gender equality when it comes to pay scales but hopefully with more women in the workforce it will help the cause. - Not That Bad
 
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FERTILITY MIRACLE

How old is too old to have a baby?

In what is being called a medical miracle, science has struck another blow against the female body clock with the successful pregnancy of a woman who underwent a rare ovarian tissue transplant.

The potential for the procedure is enormous. It means that a woman’s fertility could be preserved “indefinitely”. It could mean that menopause could be avoided altogether, and that women could be ovulating in their 50s and 60s. And falling pregnant.

But Dr Lynn Burmeister (pictured right) from Monash Medical Centre told The Hoopla today that the procedure will, for the moment, only be available for medical – not social – reasons.

“This is a new frontier for medicine and for IVF. It’s a brave new world,” she said.

Dr Burmeister oversaw the rare procedure on the now 44 year old woman who is six weeks pregnant.

Diagnosed with breast cancer at the age of 37, the woman underwent surgery to have a wedge of her healthy ovary removed and frozen so she could start chemotherapy, which would have damaged her chances of reproduction.

In April this year the woman, now cancer free and married, returned to the Monash Medical Centre where the healthy tissue was re-implanted and four months later, her ovaries started working again.

“For the moment this procedure is for cancer sufferers or women at risk of early menopause, or women with damaged ovaries,” Dr Burmeister said.

“Unless there is a medical reason, I would discourage women from seeking this treatment (so social reasons).”

The woman is only the 19th woman in the world and the first in Australia to undergo the transplant.

Professor Gab Kovacs, of the Monash clinic told The Age: The whole concept of using it for social reasons doesn’t sit comfortably with me, so I’m not advocating it for that, but is might have a place in preventing diseases that come with menopause, such as osteoporosis.

Dr Burmeister again: “But potentially in the future we will face the ethical considerations of women having babies in their 50s and 60s. Right now our cutoff for fertility treatment is 52, because that’s the average age of menopause, but potentially women could be ovulating in their 50s and 60s.”

 

 

 

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18 Responses to this article

  1. Fiona November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I do want to see corresponding discussion on the ethical issues with MEN having children in their 50s and 60s. I have no argument with the medical stats – the risks to women having children older, etc etc – I’m in complete agreement. But if we’re talking ethics, do ethics only apply to old mothers? We know men can (theoretically) father children into their 70s, without significant medical intervention. Are there ethical reasons to prevent that?

     
  2. Wendy Harmer November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Would it be good to avoid menopause? The night sweats, weight gain around the middle and hot flushes?
    Maybe, but getting down the sanitary products aisles in your dotage doesn’t sound like much fun.
    As a girlfriend quipped : ” I’d hate to be 80 and leak on my bowls whites. Have to tie my cardie around my waist.”

     
  3. Char November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I agree with Fiona, too, although an older man (Rupert, for example) with a young family, presupposes a younger wife, so at least one parent is younger. It would not be fun for a 10yr old to have two elderly parents with dementia, for example. it’s very good news for young women who suffer from cancer.

     
  4. Benison O'Reilly November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Shudder – couldn’t think of anything worse than having kids at my age! However, for cancer survivors this is wonderful news.

     
  5. Lisa mckenzie November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    It is great in this case,but not just because you feel like having it done,I am in my 40s and would not ever want to have a baby at my age,no thankyou.

     
  6. Meg November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    How brilliant! My now 15 year old daughter is a cancer survivor and has part of her premenstral ovaries removed and frozen. The news from Melbourne means that one day she too may be able to have children.

     
  7. Meg November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I meant pre menarche (not premenstral)

     
  8. Sam Stone November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    In this case it is great! Congrats to the lady mentioned in the article. I also agree with Fiona.

     
  9. Aussie Chick November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Do we ask the same question about how old is too old for a man to have a child?

    I don’t hear many (any?) people arguing that it’s unethical for a man in their 50s to have kids.

     
  10. ro.watson November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    If I may use the analogy of getting another dog in my mid-fifties when I have a terminal illness~ I think such a choice would be wrong~ even if there are others who would be prepared to take over the care of my dependant dog….

    Meanwhile, I am happy for the woman who is now expecting.

     
  11. Lucy Clark November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Dear Meg, that is just so wonderful! I am so happy for you and your daughter. Ain’t science grand?
    - Ed.

     
  12. Jenny November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    In the case of the man, it really doesn’t matter as much how old he is. After all, it’s the mother who performs the majority of childcare. Of course it is preferable that both parents are young enough to be around and capable of bringing up children to adulthood, but plenty of women are doing it on their own already for whatever reason.

     
  13. ro.watson November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    The notion of “social” as distinct from “medical” infertility is fraught with prejudice.

     
  14. Dr P Martin November 29, 2012 Reply
     
     

    As a man, I think it is inappropriate (and selfish) to be creating babies at the age of 50 (or even 40) or above, whatever your gender.

    I can see the usefulness in cases of chemotherapy in women in their 20s & 30s (or younger) but the flow on effect of allowing otherwise healthy women to delay their first child into their 50s or 60s is just madness.

    If we’re going to address reproductive issues, I’d rather we change the laws on same-sex couples to allow them to have equal reproductive status to heterosexual couples before we start allowing people to just ‘put it off’ until the time is right.

    I can’t imagine having a parent who is a pensioner (and retired) before I’ve left school! Babies are for young adults…

     
  15. Fi November 30, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I’m wondering why they chose to publish the success of a transplant when the woman is only six weeks pregnant.

     
  16. Tony W November 30, 2012 Reply
     
     

    @ Fiona – “But if we’re talking ethics, do ethics only apply to old mothers?”

    I think when Dr. Burmeister says “potentially in the future we will face the ethical considerations of women having babies in their 50s and 60s”, she’s referring to medical ethics. That is, the risk to the health of the mother and baby.

    On the question of old fathers – a woman’s choice of partner is entirely her own business, as is the choice to have children with him. Likewise the choice of whether to stay with him or not – they’re her children, and she can always divorce him and be assured of custody. Isn’t that what feminism is all about? Allowing women to make their own choices in life?

     

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