@ Brew: "your need to resort to personal insults instead of having a discussion says more about your character than I think you realise."
You're right Brew I'm certainly no angel and I don't suffer fools gladly. I mistook your comment to mean you were unable to discern policy differences b/w the major parties, an oft-heard complaint from a younger generation too lazy to engage intellectually with politics. Commonly heard from the mouths of Green voters too.
You're right of course in saying their core principles are not so far apart. I think you'll find that goes back to the '80s when Hawke took a giant step to the right and captured the middle ground. Keating consolidated by focussing our minds on the economy, traditionally Liberal territory, rather than social reform itself (except for Mabo which cost him office). All this forced the Libs to move right in order to differentiate themselves, and we saw that under Howard who ultimately went a step too far with WorkChoices. Rudd/Gillard brought us back to the centre and now the LNP must try to stay right without mentioning industrial relations. That's impossible of course, but they've been gifted a woman PM which has enabled them to Destroy the Joint and thereby escape the policy debate. They don't need to defeat the government's argument, they just need to tear down its leader and wreck the Parliament, while Murdoch suppresses the government's message. Consequently we don't know much about them - they're not coming to power by the traditional route, they've manage to usurp parliamentary democracy, which we haven't seen since the Dismissal in '75. We really can't pinpoint them on the political spectrum, I expect they'll swing widely in the years ahead according to whether Abbott, Hockey, or Turnbull is leader.
I'm a Labor voter myself for one reason only - history shows all this country's progress has been achieved under Labor governments, including steering us safely through WW2. Australia stagnates or even goes backwards under Lib govts - no better example of stagnation than under Menzies and Howard, and Abbott has already declared he wants to reverse direction on virtually every front.
Obviously we need a strong Conservative party to moderate the usual excesses prone to by Progressive parties, but that relies on democracy which for the moment has been hijacked - principally because the Fourth Estate itself has been hijacked in this country.
Of course, there's no place in that system for a third party. We only need to look to the Greens to see the danger of handing the balance of power to minor parties. It was the Greens who precipitated our current woes by blocking Rudd's ETS, which gave Abbott a platform on which to challenge Turnbull. Which reminds me - he won by 1 vote! - Tony W
@Looby Loo and Serene...I am so with you! People call me a control freak like it's a bad thing! LOL ! being organised and getting rid of STUFF really does change your life and frees your time for more interesting things than digging around in handbags and cupboards such as commenting on Hoopla articles! :-) - Pea
Looks like my winter legs. Seriously, they might actually attract more creepy perverts, they aren't called perverts for nothing. - helena
Love this topic: during my (planned) 10 min afforded to Facebook time, I have enjoyed reading the article and posts. I am SUPER DOOPER organised and have been insulted by lots of people who think I am boring and without spirit. BUT being organised means having SO MUCH EXTRA TIME on your hands to do all the things that bring you joy. My tip: No matter what, have ONE day per week (mine is Sunday) where you have a blank canvas, to be painted over with dining out, seeing a movie, doing whatever takes your fancy. And always, always, always: leave the kitchen benches clear and wiped down. And make LISTS.... - Looby Loo
Just remember to vote for the party (whatever party) you think will do the best job. If recent years have taught us anything, the leader is not guaranteed.
We vote for the party only.
It doesn't matter how much you like and respect the leader, or detest them, they are easily gone tomorrow. - Monkey
Thank you Germaine, great writing, well said and all the facts, no bullshit.
What a shame people like Ann Noyd, can't see the forest for the LNP trees!
PM Julia Gillard, will prevail, will win and will take our great nation on to even further greatness. The options are not even worth throwing up about, that's how Abbot makes so many of us feel.
Lately I've even had friends who have never had a political sinew in their bodies before saying to me, "got to keep Julia Gillard, that liberal moron will send us all back to the 1800s" and he would, given half the chance.
Julia Gillard, as Tony Windsor seconded, has been brilliant as the PM of a hung parliament, JG must be permitted to continue her great work for our nation. - NarelleM
And in Victoria it is impossible to get a taxi to take you a short distance and with Jill Maher case she was a short distance from home, in a brightly lit street with people around her and there is no way a taxi would take her that short distance from the safety of her friends to the safety of her house. So even the bloke walking home with money would not be able to get a taxi here.
The blame the victim attitude in Victoria in the late 60s they seriously tried to put a curfew on women.
And we need to understand that even walking with a male to escort you is not safe, I have been in three situations where the
men I was walking with (either close friends or husband) were attacked. My earlier experiences of being assaulted led to me being explosive (vocally) as they were attacked. In one case I stepped in and took a punch to protect the young man I was with as I knew that the blokes across the road would react to a woman being hit and come and help me, the second case my friend and I walked around the block for some fresh air whilst at a party, we passed a group of men who ran up behind us and smashed him over the head with a bottle. He arrived back at the party so stunned he had no idea where I was, others at the party found me screaming abuse at the blokes and rescued me. The third time we had just left a bookstore I worked, for after an evening with an author, by the time the blokes in the car had done a u turn to attack us, we were saved by the sheer number of our party who they had not noticed. - sue Bell
Give us a break , Ann Noyd , I watch the Parliament and Gillard is across every issue , she makes Abbott look like an absolute amateur. - Carole/m
Ah just got the joke Annoyed. I am slipping. - Dianne
Ann I am afraid most of us are having to use a crystal ball to tell us what Tony has in store. He sure isn't saying much. If you want a glimpse though head off to the Institute of Public Affairs website and then on to Cori Bernardi MP's websites. They may give you some clues. Oh happy, happy days. - Dianne