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HERE WE GO… OUTRAGE ALERT!

You can set your watch by this kind of outrage. 

Every time a tweak is made to anti-discrimination laws, a small but loud minority starts wailing about how the “bitches”, “pansies” and “ethnics” are taking over the world. It’s a debate that almost always reaches its apoplectic apogee when someone mentions Hitler.

Watching it unfold online is a little like watching zombies learn how to type.

Australia’s Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, announced this week that federal anti-discrimination laws will be changed in an effort to streamline the process.

As you would expect, the bigot brigade is already out in force, complaining that their right to ...

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18 Comments

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Jude

    I agree with everything except re the ‘occasional’ reading of fashion and beauty. Women (and men) can read that stuff all the time and still be smart and informed. I know!

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Kelly Exeter

    Once again I am leaving a comment on an article by you Corinne saying ‘love your work’. I never have anything to add because, as always, you have hit the nail on the head in a clear and concise manner.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Michelle

    I agreed with you all the way up to your take on #fakemamamia which to me was a critique of the way they insult their intended audiences intelligence. And that is not a criticism of the people who write for MM or who read it! But I think it is a real shame that much of what they do is tabloid style journalism these days. The fact that it is hard to tell the difference bwn that hashtag and #realmamamia says it all for me.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Rhoda

    It’s pure condescension – nothing else. Unconscious I expect. Women have been condescended to for millenia. It’s a habit.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Marina

    I sort of love it. I know it’s damn frustrating – but those women who know what they want in life – will just go and do it.
    So while those with the mindset of ‘Jane’ go on about their banter of there are no experienced women – the ‘Experienced Women’ are out there doing their own thing.
    It’s hard – trailblazing hard yacker – but look at what it’s created – and look who is failing and crumbling because of it.
    I’ve seen so many fabulous successful women who have reached a point in a company and can’t move forward due to the limited view of management. These women want more from life and after a few (sometimes serious) restructures in their personal lives – things get so much better for them – they are happy and off the grinding treadmill. Sometimes they become even more successful financially – but mostly they have been able to spend more time with their families (making me – their fulltime nanny redundant lol!) and they get to do all those things on a regular basis that they used to cram into a 2 week holiday.
    I can see what your saying Corrine and there is a long way to go – but if we stop and look back to see exactly how far we have come – how women are in leading positions (which would NEVER have been considered 30 years ago) – I am truly grateful that we live in a country where we can do that, have loads of opportunities awaiting us and have a hard time wiping that subtle knowing smile off my face – knowing that my girls will have an easy run of things thanks to the trailblazers in this country :)

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Jim

    As a “white male” I read the Hoopla because of the quality of the writing. No because its written by “women for women”. Intelligence & wit has no gender. Oh, and I disagree with some of the articles too. It doesn’t make them less relevant though.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Alison

    What nonsense about #fakemamamia. It was mostly entertaining and dead on the money. Many of the fake hashtag headlines were almost impossible to identify from the real ones. The media needs to get used to the fact that if you publicly publish your opinions in the hope of reaching a wide audience you will not always receive flattery and praise.

    Most of the #fakemamamia tweets were witty and most were aimed solely and directly at the site itself and at Mia Freedman. Best of all Mamamia had no control over it, could not edit anything or refuse to publish comments. Here’s a link to a piece published at the time which showed average tweets for #fakemamamia: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/lady-parts-tweet-sparks-mia-freedman-backlash-20121117-29igd.html

    The public had their say and they laughed at Mamamia. Here’s hoping the media learns from that.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    SusiQ

    “The most worrying part of the article was her assertion that the shortage of quality women was in some way attributable to women who wrote for “women’s sites” and were therefore probably not capable of writing about more serious topics”
    This is at the heart of it. Jane is saying that women = not to be taken seriously. She clearly is a sexist p*g herself. We need to call out these white-anting women for what they are. Talk about rage index……arghhhh

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    ro.watson

    There is the queen bee scenario…..Alternatively, there is the valuing of differing voices~ within organisations. Groups do not change their input or output or cultural prejudices, until there is a sufficient number of people, previously excluded,who are present,accepted,represented and actively participating …..

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Katherine

    Disagree on the #fakemamamia hash tag. In as much as anything on twitter can be said to have a coherent message I thought the obvious one of #fakemamamia was the disappointment lots of women feel that the new media aimed at women looks and feels so much like the old media. The same old celebrity and body image obsessions, the valuing of women primarily as vehicles of consumerism. These things are common to soany sites aimed at women (although I’d say The Hoopla’s focus is broader) and are worthy of critique.

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    sami

    On a slightly unrelated note, I used to enjoy reading mamamia until they published a Huge Schwyzer article and announced there would be more. Any womens site that encourages us to listen to the views of a guy that tried to murder his own girlfriend and then claim to be a feminist is not a site for me. Not to mention that anyone mentioning his history had their comment deleted to the point where they closed comments on the article.

    So that’s why I stick with the Hoopla these days. xojane is also good for a variety of topics and has a great community.

    Re womens publishing/journalism: Tara Moss is all over that kind of thing. She has written about the great gender imbalance regarding literary awards. She really is a champion for women in the industry (and a lot of other women too). Adore her :)

  • Reply November 22, 2012

    Carley

    I think all the women who read traditional media should quit reading it and stick to ‘women’s sites’ and see how quickly the aforementioned eds scramble to un-insult the readers and writers who frequent sites like the hoopla. Methinks they are disparaging a large chunk of their customer base.

  • Reply November 23, 2012

    Tony W

    “It’s pure condescension – nothing else. Unconscious I expect. Women have been condescended to for millenia. It’s a habit.”

    Yeah there’s no doubt about that. A lot of blokes just don’t get it, even when it’s pointed out to them what they’re doing. They really do see women as a different species, and a lesser one at that. I find it weird how any man would want to relate to women on such a superficial level.

    To be honest I’ve been surprised since coming to Hoopla that this kind of workplace discrimination is still so widespread. Having lived through the 70′s and 80′s I thought we’d pretty much outgrown it. Admittedly I’ve been out of the mixed workforce for a long time but I don’t get that impression from the media – there are plenty of women journos and commentators and presenters on TV. I guess it’s deceptive, the sexism is behind the scenes, as Tracey Spicer’s recent article showed.

    I’ve read Jane Gilmore’s piece and it doesn’t make much sense to me. For a start she seems to be saying you need 10 years experience in publishing before you’re publishable! And anyone who says Hoopla only covers women’s issues has obviously not even bothered to visit the home page. My overall impression is she’s big-noting herself as an Editor, and touting the Kings Tribune as having higher professional standards than so called “Mummy Blogsites”.

  • Reply November 23, 2012

    eyeswierd

    “They really do see women as a different species” – well, different, certianly, just as many women feel the same about men…
    …”and a lesser one at that.” Well misogynists do, how many of the population are they, do you suppose?

  • Reply November 23, 2012

    eyeswierd

    So affirmative action is “about giving competent and qualified people the support they need to reach the so-called level playing field.” Or is it pretending that the large numbers of highly competent, well-trained women who decide for their own understandable reasons to spend time raising a family and opting out of the rat race, and not
    selfishly devoting themselves to workaholism and job slavery like so many ‘successful’ men, do not exist?

  • Reply November 23, 2012

    mary

    http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/jessica-rudd-talks-politics-kevin-rudd-the-spill-and-owning-it/

    This thread is why many thinking women find the blog amusing to say the least….

    Its Mc Donalds media for the masses….

    Good on her success but its not for everyone….

  • Reply November 24, 2012

    Tony W

    @ eyeswierd – “So affirmative action is “about giving competent and qualified people the support they need to reach the so-called level playing field.”

    Only if they want to eyeswierd, it’s not a judgement on women on who choose to devote themselves to family instead.

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