• You a past Labor member? That's a good one! So presumably you were once concerned about social justice. You railed against rampant materialism but because you perceive the ABC and its audiences believe in what you presumably once believed in, you want it slashed and burned and its journos tossed out into the streets? Huh? - Kel
  • Well what's your take on why the ABC PLUS the MSM refuses to investigate the Ashby affair; you know where a federal justice adjudicated that an LNP candidate in concert with Ashby conspired to bring down the government by fraudulently claiming sexual harassment by Slipper. Is this left wing bias? Who gains from non investigation of this issue? Furthermore why won't any journalist including our truth seeker Alberici, ask Pyne why he lied when asked about his dealings with Ashby. What about when Hockey denied meeting with Brough and Brough denied the number of times he had met Ashby. Gee this isn't about left or right wing bias, this is about the truth. Given that Limited News' 70% monopoly is dedicated to bringing down the government how does a citizen learn the truth about any issue confrronting this nation? - Kel
  • Well put, and I hope to see your documentary. I hate the idea of vaccinations and believe they can be harmful individually but we are part of a community and as such, we have responsibilities to each other, so my son'a vaccinations are up to date. The reality is that no one knows what will happen to us or our children, whether we are talking about injury by vaccine, or injury by preventable disease, or running in a marathon where a terrorist is in wait, or getting in a car and being wiped out by a drunk driver. We all do what we can for our kids and we can try and protect them as much as we can - but none of us escape misfortune. I have a friend whose son has shocking tumours and a limited life span. My own son has a platelet disorder which means we have to be constantly vigilant that he doesn't injure himself lest he bleed internally. Let's do what we can for our own - but let's not harm others in the process. - Alice Smith
  • What a fabulously challenging topic. Jackdan, very well delivered argument. I'd love to see your research. Publish it! Sonya, I look forward to tomorrow night's documentary. Thanks for taking (what sounds like) a rational approach. - Misty
  • Thanks jack... a very interesting response and, from my communications with Sonya I think this is exactly the conversation she's hoping for. Be very interested to hear your response after viewing the doco. - Wendy Harmer
  • As someone who doesn't follow the Australian Vaccination schedule, I already feel like I am risking ridicule and worse posting here. We have been hassled and hounded by doctors, nurses (one of us is a nurse) and other parents. Blamed for the resurgence Whooping cough and related deaths, etc. Our stance is that we immunise based on our own needs and intelligence. As a for instance, we are not convinced that our children needed to be vaccinated against Hepatitis B at birth, especially given that the vaccine contained Thiomersal when it was recommended to us. I'm not sure how aware you are of the Japanese experience with the DTP vaccinations in the mid 1970's, but as a result of many adverse reactions and over 30 deaths as a direct result of the vaccine, the schedule was altered and children were vaccinated later. I am aware that the vaccine is no longer a whole cell vaccine, however it is worth considering the delicate balance of the immune system in infants below 6 months of age. So we immunise roughly to the Japanese schedule. There is no Hep B or vericella. And MMR is given as MR and Mumps separately. We will make the call on Japanese when we visit next month. I note that the tone in the promotion of the doco appears to depict the non vaccination school as driven by emotion with the pro vaccination argument being driven by Science (which is a pretty broad concept). Our decision to vaccinate alternatively has been based on a lot of careful research and is based on risk mitigation considering that vaccinations do carry a percentage of risk, however small. We have the advantage of also being Japanese citizens, (myself a spouse resident) and can access the differently combined vaccines and scheduling. When recently discussing this on a facebook post I was branded an anti Vaccinator. Abused and blamed. My response is that I think there is a better way. A much better way. And the heavy handed pressure to Immunise to schedule, which then elicits a strong anti response from those who question, but are discouraged strongly and frowned upon for questioning, has created a climate of 'for or against', emotion or science, us against them. All pretty narrow reductive way to explore a whole collection of different diseases, risks, and vaccines (including their varieties of compositions, combinations and timing). So we have attempted to immunise the best way that we can ascertain. It's a tricky time consuming task to get all the info on each different vaccine from the manufacturers, to research each and every disease to ascertain the risks of actually contracting it and then what the risks associated with the disease are, but it has been worthwhile. I think that the community could benefit from a less doctrinal approach to the current immunisation schedule and regular review of disease risks and the vaccination schedule response. - Jackdan
  • I'm an E cup. When I was younger and skinnier I was only a C cup and could handle underwires. Then I got pregnant and discovered the bliss of maternity bras. Post babies and breastfeeding I went back to the wires only to find they poked me and now I've got 'birdseyes' in my cleavage. I cannot fathom the underwire. Obviously the person who designed it has never had to wear one. Having big boobs we're all encouraged to wear them, but now I'm old and fat they're far too uncomfortable to contemplate. I'm happy with my 'wirefree' bras. I figured that if manufacturers could make a maternity bra without wires that fitted perfectly and provided excellent support to lactating breasts, they could do the same for large, non-lactating breasts too. I found the perfect fit for me at a large chain store and bought the same type for years. Not terribly sexy, but comfortable and serviceable. Now I've discovered same large chain has a moulded cotton bra in large sizes. Better still, you can order them online when the sales are on and collect them from the store. Bliss! - BeansGran
  • Well put Sonya. I am so glad that you have created this documentary. Also, you have put forward a voice of reason backed up by compelling evidence & your own credibility. I am pro-vaccination, but I understand why it is an delicate decision for many parents. I haven't come across the anti-vax theories (I'd never even heard of the AVN until Mamamia kept writing & tweeting about them). I'd always just followed the immunisation schedule. But I have come across a lot of pushy pro-vaxxers and I have to say, it is a turn off. I understand that it's a passionate issue. But is it an effective way of increasing immunisation rates? Of course not. Some pro-vaxxers make it their full time job to name, shame & harass people opposed to vaccination. Is harassment going to change their position, heck no! Is it going to galvanise their anti-vac position, quite probably! I just think we need to be smarter about this. I know it is not a "debate" in the sense that the science is in on the benefits & general safety of vaccines. But it completely normal to feel uneasy about purposely injecting your child with something most of us know very little about. And then watching their every breath that evening as they process that vaccine. Sonya, I hope that your documentary is the beginning of the change in the way we talk about immunisation. Well done. - Kasey
  • I am very impressed by what you've set out to achieve and how you've come about it. Much of my work these days is in vaccination and I work hard to break down the myths and false beliefs people have about vaccines. I find listening to concerns, empathy and responding with good evidence based information has been the most successful manner I've had so far. I also reassure parents that it is always their choice, but I also share that I am a mum too and that I choose to vaccinate my child fully. And funnily enough that's usually the clincher. Respect, good information and empathy can go a long way. I really hope that many people watch your documentary and help absolve the many concerns and myths surrounding vaccination that are out there. You must be proud of your work :) - The Huntress
  • Not everyone has access too or any interest in the internet, you cannot drive a tractor and watch the internet but you can listen to radio, you cannot drive a car and watch the internet but you can listen to radio, you cannot wash the dishes, the clothes, yourself and watch the internet but you can listen to the radio, you can also lie in bed with Phillip Adams, half my University of the Third Age students go to bed with Phillip. Australia's best journalists were trained by the ABC. What I don't understand Gee is your palpable hatred, how can you be so angry all the time, just relax and learn that we are all different and some of us prefer the quiet nature of the ABC compared with the ranting and rage of radio shock jocks and commercial TV. Your phrase 'slash and burn' is shocking to me, no one I know hates anything, no one I know wants to destroy things or institutions, not even the IPA, why such violence of language? - sue Bell
 
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BIRTH PLAN? HOW ABOUT DEATH PLAN?

Making a birth plan is relatively easy.

It will often contain directions about what music should be played; when pain relief should be administered; deliery of the placenta and who should be present. (No iPhones, please!) More enlightened mums–to-be will include detailed stipulations about their wishes regarding high-end medical intervention.

However, at the end of the process, if all goes well, there is a new life to celebrate.

 

Ending your life on your terms. Photograph via Futurity.org.

Making a plan for one’s death is an altogether harder thing. At the end of it… only sorrow and goodbyes.

Would you ever be brave enough to write a plan for your death? Perhaps you should be.

When Pat Jankus, Victorian mum of two, wrote this document she had been diagnosed with terminal cancer.

“My name and address is… I’m of sound mind and understand the importance of this document and request that my stated choices are respected by my doctors and family, now and in the future.

 In addition, I request that and all of the above people (listed) pay heed to my beliefs and values in life.

If I reach a point where it is reasonably certain that I will not recover my ability to interact meaningfully with myself, my family and environment  – and, as my medical condition is terminal cancer – in the event of having a cardiac or respiratory arrest:

I do not wish to have cardiopulmonary resuscitation initiated; nor do I wish to have artificial means of life support initiated, including intubation, artificial nutrition and hydration.

Antibiotics should be only administered to me to reduce pain and discomfort. Not to prolong life.

Pain care management is my priority.

 I trust the relevant medical staff to keep me as pain free, clean and comfortable to the end of life as they are able within the context of my wishes as stated above.”

Now, eight years on and in remission, Pat wouldn’t change a thing.

Although it was very hard to share her wishes for her death with her family, it was a conversation she was determined to have.

“My husband cried,” she remembers. “My eldest son, in his early 40s, said: ‘What a great idea, Mum. This is terrific!’ My youngest son burst into tears. So if they had to make a decision about life support machines etc. I think they would have had a lot of difficulty.”

Professor Bill Silvester is the director of the Respecting Patient Choices program at Austin Hospital in Victoria.

The ethics of when to stop life-prolonging medical treatment and move to palliative care has become his life’s work.

He recalls the day he became convinced that every family should have this talk – no matter how confronting.

“In was in 2001 and I was working in the ICU and we had an fellow who had end stage cancer and he was admitted to the IC unit overnight with pneumonia and he ended up on a ventilator. He was dying and we could see that.

“His wife and daughter came to me with tears in their eyes saying, ‘Why are you doing this to Dad? We could have told you he wouldn’t wanted it if someone had asked’, and it struck me that it was too late to be asking people by that time.

“What we really needed to get better at, as nurses and doctors, was to ask patients, while they were still competent, while they could still think through these things, what they’d want if they were reaching the end of the line.”

And so he pursued the idea of an “Advanced Care Plan”.

It’s an option now available in hospitals and nursing homes throughout Victoria, South Australia and is being taken up in NSW.

Prof. Silvester says that he has surveyed hundreds of people in nursing homes, their friends and families.

“I asked: would you rather go quickly versus having a long, prolonged illness and suffer through that? I am still waiting for someone to put their hand up for the second option,” says Prof. Silvester.

 

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8 Responses to this article

  1. Sarah Boggs July 31, 2012 Reply
     
     

    that was such a great article and it was practical thank you so much ,as you say it’s not about euthanasia it’s being practical I know if I become unable to look after myself i would prefer to be let go peaceably. Thank you again

     
  2. Debbie July 31, 2012 Reply
     
     

    MY father died recently of Alzheimers. He had left it too late to prepare his own Death Plan (and maybe never would have done, he didn’t want to talk about those things). However, as his condition deteriorated, my sisters and I referred to the concept of an Advanced Care Plan (and found some really useful information online) in advising the nursing home about our expecttions of the level of care and attention we thought appropriate. It was a great relief to be able to access information and advice. After his death, we were left feeling that we had some took control over what took place and that Dad was treated well and was able to die peacefully in the bed that had been his for some time, rather than moved to a hospital and his life sustained when all hope (and joy) was gone.

    Mind you – I can’t get my 90 year old mother to complete an Advanced Care Directive. I think its best to do it when the end perhaps doesn’t seem quite so imminent.

     
  3. Benison O'Reilly July 31, 2012 Reply
     
     

    This sounds like a wonderful initiative. We are living this as we speak with my father-in-law, who is gravely ill in hospital.
    Fortunately, after some tense weeks the whole family is now in agreement that there will be no heroics. He is a wonderful man but any chance of him having an independent future has gone and he wouldn’t want to live like that.

     
  4. The Huntress July 31, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Advanced Care Directives are incredibly important. It’s heartbreaking as a nurse to watch families try to make decisions that would be in the best interest of their loved one, but unable to come to a decision or agree amongst themselves. I have seen some occasions whereby families do choose to undertake extraordinary medical interventions to prolong the life (or extend the dying, as I feel it often is) of their loved one, solely because they either can’t let go (the decision is too painful at such an emotional time) or they don’t know what their loved one would have wanted and by requesting active treatment they at least feel they did everything they could.

    If we could take a deep breath and have these difficult discussions it would save so much pain and heartache on behalf of families and make the jobs of healthcare staff much, much easier. Knowing that you have helped someone to have a ‘good death’ is a wonderful thing. It’s an important time of our lives and knowing we’ve done the right thing by the people we love offers peace and dignity to us all.

     
  5. WENDY GREEN August 1, 2012 Reply
     
     

    I am 55 years old and I have chosen to have ‘No medical intervention’ to prolong life if I suffer any medical illness or accident. Pain relief is okay – I am no mater. I am not afraid to die. Why is everyone so afraid to die? Death should be considered a natural part of life and comes when our time is up – pure and simple. It’s the medicos and people who can’t bear to endure the pain of separation from loved ones that keep people alive long after their ‘use by date’.

     
  6. Elaine August 1, 2012 Reply
     
     

    Thank you so much for reminding me to do this. Great information.

     
  7. Annie from Faulco August 6, 2012 Reply
     
     

    My wonderful late husband made his wishes totally clear.

    His choices were underpinned by his own values and informed by realistic advice from his lovely specialist doctor, augmented by the experiences of wise, compassionate community and hospital nurses who answered his direct questions with equally direct answers. He knew what to expect.

    After many hospital admissions, during all of which he unexpectedly “turned the corner”, he left our home in an ambulance for the last time.

    When treatment failed, he chose to withdraw medication and accept to die comfortably. He spent his last days planning his non-funeral with me, and entertaining many visitors.

    On the last day of his life, there was such hilarity in his room that the nurses frequently asked us to keep the noise down. He told death jokes, matched by better ones from his friends.

    He was happy, loved and then lapsed into a coma a few hours after his last visitor. My daughter and I were able to sleep on sofabeds in his room during his final days. All of this in our local public hospital, where he was known to the staff as an appreciative larrikin, and the whole experience was in accordance with his wishes.

    He was lucky that we all knew, and respected, his wishes. No tubes, no ventilators, no machines beeping.

    He reckoned that it was a good way to die. I agree.

    His Life-Celebration was the perfect combination of respect and his insistence on speakers taking the piss and making people laugh. It worked. His musical choices were as idiosyncratic as the man himself.

    He planned his death and a party for his friends. My grief is assuaged by the knowledge that he died without pain, and that his non-funeral/Life Celebration is remembered with a chuckle by many in my community.

     

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